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Epic 1: Hyfrydles Defeat

Epic 1 - The Honorable French

This is my first report and some of the details of the devastating defeat are unclear but I will try my best. This was the first time I had tried the Prince difficulty level and I found it very challenging.

The Beginning

The start location looked fairly resource rich but due to the tropical climate we were surrounded by dense jungle. There was a large fresh water lake and also another slightly smaller lake. We had cows and stone in close proximity. On moving the warrior north we revealed the coast. After careful consideration we decided to settle in place which allowed us to take advantage of the cows and stone.

Paris was founded and started work on a warrior to allow time to grow. The warrior is due to complete in 11 turns. Due to the cow resource we started studying Animal Husbandry. For the next few turns we explored the surrounding area and came across pigs and bananas. In 3800 BC our warriors came across a tribal village but decided not to risk it, we aren't ready to deal with barbarians just yet.

We discover dyes to the south east of Paris and come across Genghis Khans scouts who for the time been present the hand of peace. On checking our progress animal husandry will complete in 12 turns the warrior completes in 3 turns and it is 9 turns till Paris grows to size 1. This epic speed sure takes time.

Warrior comes across a panther and defeats it and on checking healing will take 8 turns so I decide to risk it and continue exploring hope I don't regret it. The warrior in Paris completes in 3600 BC and we decide to work on a barracks until Paris grows in 6 turns. Fortify warrior in Paris just in case. Genghis is ahead on score by 9 points.

My exploring warrior discovers rice and another tribal village. It looks like Genghis has scouts heading towards it. In 3520 BC Buddhism is founded in a distant land. Decide to risk popping the village with my weakened warrior not sure it's a good idea but I like to live dangerously sometimes. We end up been lucky and learn pottery from the tribe. Suddenly out of the jungle we come across a pride of lions who decide my warrior tastes good at least we got the pottery before the untimely demise. We are still 8 points behind Genghis.

In 3400 BC we start work on another warrior to replace the one we lost Paris grows in 2 turns and I manage to tweak it so the warrior completes in 5 turns without starving my populace. Finally in 3240 BC we discover animal husbandry and begin researching mining which wil allow us to get masonry so we can build a quarry on the stone resource. Genghis is now only 5 points ahead of me.

Paris finishes the warrior and we continue with the barracks not sure if this is an error but I feel we need to grow to size 3 before we start on a settler or worker. Send the warrior exploring to the west. Check the top 5 cities and Paris is second pretty impressive I think. Warrior comes across a tribal village which we pop and get a second warrior for our trouble. We spot horses far to the west.

There are plenty of resources in the surrounding area if only we could take advantage of them we'd be sorted warriors discover the coast to the west. There are still 14 turns till Paris grows to size 3. Genghis is now only 2 points ahead. Decide to head north with one warrior and south with the other. Mining completes in 3 turns.

Mining completes and we start on sailing since Paris is by a lake I'm hoping to increase food output to help improve growth. 8 turns to city growth and 17 turns till barracks completes. With all the jungle it's not easy deciding where to build my next city.

In 2480 BC the borders of Paris expand and we are now 27 points ahead of Genghis and 2 turns off fishing. Finally in 2440 BC Paris grows to size 3 and starts work on a worker which is due to complete in 15 turns. Warrior discovers the Mongolian territory to the east the city of Karakorum is defended by 2 warriors.

In 2000 BC the worker is due to complete in 5 and we are still second in the top 5 cities we are also the largest civ at this stage due to a poll which is surprising since we only have one city. At this point we make contact with Washington who is 1 point below Genghis.

On exploring the Mongolian territory we spot a farm and see that his capital is now size 4 we are only size 3 at the moment. In 1900 BC we finish work on the worker who we send to start work on a pasture also we find gold in the north east hills. Paris is due to grow to size 4 in 18 turns.

We have made contact with the Aztecs in the far north east he has workers too. Tenochtitlan is only size 2 but is guarded by 2 warriors and he has a settler ready. It's 4 turns till our pasture completes.

Expansion

In 1775 BC we learn archery and Hinduism is founded in a distant land also a turn later we complete the barracks in Paris. Unfortunately we lose a warrior to a panther. These big cats are causing us problems. After further exploration of the Aztecs we discover Monty has 2 cities and is currently in second place with 153 points. Worker starts constructing farms around Paris so we can speed up growth also notice some of Washingtons warriors nosing around the outskirts of Paris.

In 1575 BC Washington takes the lead by 5 points and Paris finishes an archer for defensive duties. Finally in 1500 BC we begin work on a settler and we meet Gandhi who is in the lead which doesn't bode well for him. We learn all about masonry in 1425 BC and begin studying towards alphabet. In 1350 BC we drop to last place and things take a turn for the worse.

Paris completes the settler in 1150 BC and Judaism is founded in a distant land. We decide to found our second city on the coast to the south west it will take 7 turns to travel there. Quarry completes in 1075 BC and we quickly link it up by road we also find the coast to the east.

Washington is guarded by an archer and an axeman which means he has access to copper. We now have access to stone and Paris is due to grow in 5 turns which will take us to the happiness cap.

We found Orleans in 960 BC and guess what where right next door to a barbarian city oh joy!!! Paris completes the granary and starts work on another worker. We start work on a road south from Paris to Orleans. To improve our research we start work on a library in Paris in 740 BC and to keep on the right side of Washington we agree open borders. Unfortunately we lose a worker to barbarians on the outskirts of Orleans.

Monty asks for open borders and we agree again just to keep people on friendly terms. We spot a barbarian raiding party to the south of Paris so we start constructing walls for greater protection.

In 480 BC Paris starts on another settler and due to the annoying barbarians we move our workers into Orleans for protection. Also we complete bronze working and start on mysticism. 340 BC and Orleans has grown to size 3 and begins work on an archer and our warriors start to clear the barbarians from our lands.

We use the next turns to strengthen our military and improve the defences of our cities and in 140 BC the city of Lyons is founded and begins work on a work boat. Upto this point we have neglected wonders so we decide to go for Pyramids in Paris in 60 BC. Barbarians continue to be a problem and they capture Lyons in 200 AD but we get it back in 240 AD and again spend some time improving the defenses.

We fail to get the Pyramids but manage to complete The Great Lighthouse in Orleans in 430 AD. We found our fourth city Rheims in 540 AD and capture the barbarian city Zhou in 820 AD this has been a thorn in our side and now we should see less barbarian raiding parties.

War Is Declared

Sometime around 920 AD Monty declares war and shortly after so does Genghis we manage to fend off the attacks and take only minor casualties. By 1175 AD all the religions had been founded. At about this time we had some peaceful turns and tried to catch up but it was obvious we where falling behind and Genghis seemed to know this when in 1355 AD he came in force with keshiks and catapults intent on causing us serious misery. The war raged for several turns and Genghis refused to talk with me there were no cities lost but I was certainly impressed with his military might. Some time during this war we met up with Alexander.

By 1550 AD we had knights and again we were attacked this time Monty was the culprit. Our knights stood up well and again we repelled the attack but I was unsure how long I could keep this up as each war pushed me further behind in other areas. As before it wasn't long before Genghis wanted a piece of me too and a war on two fronts is not good we pushed Genghis back and by some miracle we captured Ning-Hsia in 1670 AD shortly after we managed to get peace again.

At this stage something strange happened both Monty and Genghis decided to leave me alone and between them they wiped Gandhi out. City by city he fell and this was even more impressive given the fact that he was above both Monty and Genghis on score.

Well it was now 1852 AD and things had been peaceful for a good while when Genghis decided to take Ning-Hsia back with a large stack of cavalry, riflemen and catapults. Ning-Hsia was lost and this paved the way for a massive assault which took each of my cities one by one and also Monty joined in the stacks were incredible and I just wasn't ready for it. The lesson I learned is don't underestimate the AI it seems almost human at times and Genghis and Monty in close proximity are a serious threat.

I lost this game in 1868 AD when Lyons my final city fell the score was abysmal but even though I lost it was a fun game and I now look forward to my revenge on both Genghis and Monty in the near future. Also from what I remember Monty and Genghis never declared war on each other.

Well thats it thanks for reading and if you can give me some constructive criticism please do.
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Hyfrydles,

Don't feel bad about your defeat - I think everyone has a game when they jump to a harder level and the AI attacks in force, which is something that never really happens in Civ3 and I don't know that it happens much on the lower levels of civ4.

I suppose the constructive criticism would be to be wary if your neighbors are Montezuma and Genghis! It's worth keeping your military strong even if you don't plan to attack - I believe the AI still checks the power rankings and will attack you if your power is too low. Maybe it's soldier count? Dunno. And, with Monty and Genghis, you should probably prepare for an attack no matter what. I managed to not go to war with either one of them, but I think I was a very rare case indeed.
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Hi,

Having Monty and Genghis for neighbors during this Epic definitely increased how challenging it was! Otherwise your game would likely have played quite differently.

As far as your game goes, I thought it was interesting that you chose not to heal your warrior, because I always heal to full as a knee-jerk reaction. In your case, that move probably cost you the warrior, but gained you pottery as you got to the village first.

I think one challenge for you in your opening moves was to correlate your research and your build orders so that you're able to use what you research more quickly. In your case, you researched a lot of worker-move techs, but chose to delay building a worker until size 3. By that point, I'm sure you noticed that you had more things available for your worker to do than you had time to do them! If you want to prioritize worker-techs, it's probably a good idea to also prioritize building a worker, and start on one at size 2. If you want to delay your worker a bit, then you might be better served by heading towards a religion, or by researching up the hunting-archery line. That would have allowed you to build scouts while you were waiting, and they might have served you better in your exploration than your warriors did.

I try to correlate my worker build and my techs so that my first worker job becomes available right around the time my first worker completes. Whether that happens early or late is a matter of preference and priority, but if they don't happen together then there's probably something else you could be getting from your builds or your research while you were waiting. What can wait should wait, as Sirian always said during the Civ3 training game we played. smile

Of course, I didn't have a chance to play at all for this one, but I'm enjoying living vicariously through everyone's reports! thumbsup
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Hi Guys

Thanks for your feedback it's much appreciated hopefully I can learn and improve in time for the next Epic. Really enjoy the variant idea it makes each game a very individual experience.

One thing I struggle with is war and in this first Epic war was inevitable with the aggressive civ's so close. Any tips on military tactics would be great.

In hindsight maybe befriending the aggresive civ's would be a possible plan but at the time I didn't know what was out there.

Oh well next time it will hopefully be a different story.
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