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(March 2nd, 2013, 15:37)Sian Wrote: Sareln ... the Scandal comes from Horsemeat being mislabeled as cow

If there wasn't a shibboleth against eating horse meat in the western world would it be a big deal? It'd be like having duck labeled as chicken.
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It's a pretty big deal that food is being mislabeled as to what it's made with and that it's as widespread as it appears. Brings up a lot of food safety and lack of regulatory oversight issues when companies are getting away with that. Think about inspection and food testing as well in that tests for one type of meat may be different then another so food might not have been tested properly. Also raises questions about where the meat came from and whether it was properly raised and inspected for food purposes to begin with; as you say horse is not a common food in the area affected so definitely makes people question whether it's food quality at all.
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(March 2nd, 2013, 16:58)Sareln Wrote:
(March 2nd, 2013, 15:37)Sian Wrote: Sareln ... the Scandal comes from Horsemeat being mislabeled as cow

If there wasn't a shibboleth against eating horse meat in the western world would it be a big deal? It'd be like having duck labeled as chicken.

One part of the scandal is that some of the beef is in fact pork. The horse stuff is getting more attention because it shouldn't be in the food chain at all outside of specialist products, in the UK at least. And the main focus of the press coverage I've read is about mislabelling/misrepresenting the contents not about "eewwww horse". Obviously the bit the internet has picked up & run with is the horse stuff coz it makes for better jokes smile

(March 2nd, 2013, 18:34)Yazilliclick Wrote: It's a pretty big deal that food is being mislabeled as to what it's made with and that it's as widespread as it appears. Brings up a lot of food safety and lack of regulatory oversight issues when companies are getting away with that. Think about inspection and food testing as well in that tests for one type of meat may be different then another so food might not have been tested properly. Also raises questions about where the meat came from and whether it was properly raised and inspected for food purposes to begin with; as you say horse is not a common food in the area affected so definitely makes people question whether it's food quality at all.

I'm pretty sure I've read bbc news articles talking about a particular painkiller that horses get given that might stay through the food preparation process - it isn't given to people because of potentially harmful side-effects. So they've been testing for that alongside the "what meat is it?" testing (and thankfully not finding enough to worry about).
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Yeah, if the reverse happened and I found out that there was beef in my pork, I'd be pissed.
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Usually when I associate meat with Iceland I end up thinking about the fact they make sharks into cheese.
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(March 2nd, 2013, 16:58)Sareln Wrote: If there wasn't a shibboleth against eating horse meat in the western world would it be a big deal? It'd be like having duck labeled as chicken.

As far as I kow it is a big issue for brits. Here in Vienna especially "Pferdeleberkäse" is still popular. At least enough to allow a horse-slaughter to make a living.

But that aside there a 2 main points:
First: On principle the wrong declaration is a serious crime if you consider the possibility of allergies or religious rules (imagine Pork for islamic customers).
Second In this case the Horses used where not meant for eating so no controls of the quality of the meat or the amount of antibiotics used etc were done. And as pling said there were traces of painkillers etc in this meat. Officially not enough to really worry but still.

And getting Duck labeled as chicken would also be serious.
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(March 5th, 2013, 10:49)Rowain Wrote: First: On principle the wrong declaration is a serious crime if you consider the possibility of allergies or religious rules (imagine Pork for islamic customers).

Don't worry about it, we Irish have a long history of selling dodgy meat to Arabs. Just ask Larry Goodman.


I'm sure the horse scandal having originated in one of his plants is a pure coincidence. He's the absolute salt of the earth.
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Somewhat OT, but
Imagine what dem Chinese immigrants had/have to live through with all dem rumors of them serving cats instead of pork. Nope. it doesn't make economic sense (so much cheaper to serve pork) but people still choose to believe it.


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On a similar note, guess how much of the fish you're eating is actually what it says on the menu. https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/21/us/su....html?_r=0


Really not surprising in the least.

Looking back, those Chinese places where the fish are live and in tanks and served head and all make a lot of sense.
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