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Adventue 2 - Montysicle

Report's in PDF form, 'cuz I tried doing it with LaTeX. Hope you enjoy, it's about 2MB all told.

Executive summary: Loss to space race (1992AD, Victoria) after nearly getting wiped off the map. Survived, though!

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Good job beating up on Rome. Not good enough unless you can prevent the pile-on, though. I'm glad you managed to survive, and stick it out. I enjoyed the report!

- Sirian
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Thanks! Praetorians are wickedly strong units, and I was just lucky enough to start the pounding before Rome had put out enough.

In the final analysis, attacking Rome just didn't seem worth it. I thought I had to mostly because of incomplete scouting (grr barbarian animals), with complications from wanting to secure Copper after settling that site a bit too late.

In exchange, though, the stunting got Rome completely eliminated from the game -- a result that I haven't seen yet in the reports I've had time to read.

It was also sheer luck that I survived the pile-on -- if Mansa had open borders with Alex, or Mao with Saladin, things could have gotten quite ugly.
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Would you believe that this was my first full game on Highlands? (Aside from verifying it worked while testing.) You actually had more experience on this map than me! lol I agree that it's a fun one to play though. Sirian did some nice work on this one, for sure.

Your opening was identical to mine - Meditation for Buddhism and then Fishing, with a worker build first in the capital. I think that was a pretty good start to the game, in my completely unbiased opinion. wink As far as religions go, it's entirely possible to get a religion first with Spiritual civs most of the time. The AI likes to pick up a defensive or worker tech a lot of the time (though again, it depends on the personality of the AI civ). You're right though that it gets very hard to found an early religion with a non-Spiritual civ on Monarch and above!

You also built Stonehenge early on and founded your second city in the same spot as me. 1000BC Oracle? Wow. I would have beaten that but JUST barely, I finished it in 1040BC in my game. I wonder if I actually won the race by 1 turn! That would have been something - but I hope it wasn't actually that close! smile

Pyramids built by Vicky... not good. I was extremely relieved when Saladin got them in my game. The last thing you want is a Financial civ jumping into Representation or Universal Suffrage early on when everyone else is in Despotism.

Early war against Caesar, wow. I suspected that at least one person would try it. As you stated though, Jags don't fare well against the Roman legions. See, you ran into the very problem that I was worried about - yes, you can take out the AI, but at the cost of falling way too far behind in the tech race. Maybe tech trading could have helped (?) Conquest is a tough path in Civ4, certainly much more difficult than the no-brainer it was in Civ3!

Yikes! Dead last in GNP! eek Well, there's the very opposite of my maritime civ there!

Days of our Civs... lol Calendar in 1790AD was also quite amusing to see. I wonder what all the Industrial and Modern age civs were thinking as you and Caesar continued to fight a medieval conflict in their backyards.

Ye gods, that was a rough dogpile on you! I think you earn a gold star just for surviving that one intact. Even if it did involve gifting cities to civs with whom Alex did not have Open Borders. smile

Well I have to disagree and saying that expanding over water WAS the best way to go in this game. Attacking someone early on, however, was not the best path. Conquest was probably best done later on, when it was possible to support more cities financially. But congrats on a bold move with Jags, and for surviving all the way to the end despite long odds!
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I'd be curious to see what would happen with an early expansion east. That must have been a BIG mountain by Tenochitlan!
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Sullla Wrote:Pyramids built by Vicky... not good. I was extremely relieved when Saladin got them in my game. The last thing you want is a Financial civ jumping into Representation or Universal Suffrage early on when everyone else is in Despotism.

Vicky was the clear AI leader GNP-wise for the game, but she wasn't an absolute runaway -- looking at the replay (I never did get a world map) shows that she was trapped by Mansa/Mao/Julius in the southwest. Without an early war, she never expanded much until she ate Rome.

Quote:Early war against Caesar, wow. I suspected that at least one person would try it. As you stated though, Jags don't fare well against the Roman legions. See, you ran into the very problem that I was worried about - yes, you can take out the AI, but at the cost of falling way too far behind in the tech race. Maybe tech trading could have helped (?) Conquest is a tough path in Civ4, certainly much more difficult than the no-brainer it was in Civ3!

I wasn't even planning to go warlike in this game -- I just felt cornered into it after Rome took that copper. That was, in my reasoning, the only available metals resource. That conclusion was erroneous, as it turned out. I underestimated the strength of the food resources near what was eventually the barb city of Bulgur, and I never did much scouting to the south/east of the lake before the land was occupied by China.

Without metals (and no horses in sight), I thought I'd be pretty much dead meat against whichever AI came knocking at my door, Jaguars notwithstanding. I might have even ended up alright, if Julius hadn't kept redeclaring.

Indeed, the idea of running a maritime empire on a Highlands map didn't occur to me. smile

Quote:Yikes! Dead last in GNP! eek Well, there's the very opposite of my maritime civ there!

Not just dead last, but dead last by about 100% or so of the next-weakest Civ (Rome).

Incidentally, in looking at the late-game diplomacy situation (never took a screenshot), Vicky had some "fair and forthright" relations with Rome -- looks like she gave Julius some pressies.

Quote:Days of our Civs... lol Calendar in 1790AD was also quite amusing to see. I wonder what all the Industrial and Modern age civs were thinking as you and Caesar continued to fight a medieval conflict in their backyards.

Probably about the same as we think of modern-day African tribal/civil conflicts.

Quote:Ye gods, that was a rough dogpile on you! I think you earn a gold star just for surviving that one intact. Even if it did involve gifting cities to civs with whom Alex did not have Open Borders. smile

I'm not sure I technically had to do that one, but it was at the very least a nice "scorched earth" factor. Since Mansa's borders were immediately adjacent to mine, access to my capitals from overland for Alex was blocked. Also, Mao was blocking Saladin (never saw any of his units, I believe).

I doubt that the AI would have been smart enough to build a naval unit from a captured city to invade, but I didn't want to risk it.

Quote:Well I have to disagree and saying that expanding over water WAS the best way to go in this game. Attacking someone early on, however, was not the best path. Conquest was probably best done later on, when it was possible to support more cities financially. But congrats on a bold move with Jags, and for surviving all the way to the end despite long odds!

Thanks, it was one of the most entertaining civ-losses I've ever had. smile
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