Adventure 45 - regoarrarr (Oxford / Great Lib)

[regoarrarr]

Placeholder for the full report, which should be hopefully up soon

Spaceship victory in 1795 AD

Full report available here

[darrelljs]

Spaceship victory in 1795 AD

Close, but not quite :neenernee.

Darrell

[regoarrarr]

Full report now up!!

[T-hawk]

I started warming to what I believe will be the most chosen combination - Pyramids and The Great Library.

I am laughing at this Pyramids-GL had 9 players. Oxford-GL had 10. You picked Oxford-GL because you thought Pyramids-GL would be more popular. But in doing so, you yourself put Oxford-GL ahead!

I'm going to be severely production limited here, and what are the 2 biggest producers? The Draft and The Whip.

Kremlin didn't enter your thinking, I take it?

BUDHINJEW THE MAGNIFICENT!!!

Democracy slingshot in 520 AD.

Beautiful. That was 10 turns ahead of Darrell. It seems he made up the difference after that with the corporations. Were you just rushing through and didn't have time for the corporation micromanagement?

[regoarrarr]

Kremlin didn't enter your thinking, I take it?

Nope didn't even think about it.

Beautiful. That was 10 turns ahead of Darrell. It seems he made up the difference after that with the corporations. Were you just rushing through and didn't have time for the corporation micromanagement?

Yeah - the thing is that I hardly EVER play corporations. I don't usually play games into the late eras. And almost all the ones that I did, were with the original game (Before Corps were around), so when I'm playing real fast (which is how I normally play, unfortunately), I don't really think about it.

After I used the GM from Economics on a trade mission I thought "Hmm I shoudl have maybe saved that for Sushi". But at that point I was already pushing up on the deadline so I just played quickly.

The thing I did enjoy most was being able to really plan out the micro moves for the early game. But then I took a break for a few weeks and never got back to it.

[darrelljs]

That was 10 turns ahead of Darrell. It seems he made up the difference after that with the corporations. Were you just rushing through and didn't have time for the corporation micromanagement?

regoarrarr seems to have teched better than me into the Industrial Age, and I really didn't catch up until the very end. I'd chalk it up to three things:

1. I focused much more on rapid expansion. I think the hydra was a mistake that cost him a lot of turns, because he delayed his second and subsequent cities. It gets major style points though . I also don't understand why you had so few Workers when you delayed your second city though . I had three Workers when my second city went up (granted one was stolen). The one solid point of reference is that I had 5 cities according to my turn 60 screenshot, while it looks like you had 3 at that time.

2. Oxford was a better choice than The Pyramids for teching. It had an interesting side effect in that you built The Oracle but not The Great Lighthouse (we both built Stonehenge). I'll note in passing that while you focused CoL, I went for HBR after Mathematics. I had a total of 4 Numidian Calvary keeping the Barbarians away, which I got MUCH faster by delaying the Civil Service line (not saying it was better, but it certainly made focusing on expansion easier).

3. You micro'd better than me.

man I am doing TOO much Agile crap at work!

I know the feeling .

Darrell

[regoarrarr]

1. I focused much more on rapid expansion. I think the hydra was a mistake that cost him a lot of turns, because he delayed his second and subsequent cities. It gets major style points though .

Yeah I think that was a red herring. Though doing the hydra didn't really set me back much I think. I mean I was going to have to research at least Myst / Med / Priesthood to get the Oracle, and there wasn't ever (I think?) a time where I was waiting on techs. I got Agriculture and BW and pottery in time to get my workers working.

I also don't understand why you had so few Workers when you delayed your second city though . I had three Workers when my second city went up (granted one was stolen). The one solid point of reference is that I had 5 cities according to my turn 60 screenshot, while it looks like you had 3 at that time.

Here was my early build path, as best as I can deconstruct from my notes:

1. Work the 3/0/1 FP for one turn till borders popped, then work the 3/0/3 Oasis, building a workboat. I believe this was also what I saw T-hawk do.

2. On Turn 8, I swap to worker upon growing to size 2, working the oasis and FP.

3. Turn 13, BW comes in, Turn 14 I revolt to Slavery, and whip the worker (32/60) on Turn 15.

4. Turn 16, worker is born, timed with the discovery of Agriculture. Worker farms corn, which is done EOT 20.

5. Worker->Workboat - don't have when the workboat came in, but it included a chop on the plains forested hill, which was what the worker did after the corn farm.

6. Workboat->Granary, which I double whipped (29/60) on T28.

7. Writing->Math, which completed on EOT36.

8. I put 56 hammers into Stonehenge (probably included at least 1 chop), before pausing to swap to settler on T36 and whip it (28/100) on T38.

9. Stonehenge at EOT40.

Next builds were warrior, 2nd worker, WB, another settler and then the Oracle, which completed on T58 (1680 BC)

[T-hawk]

That was exactly my opening build order too. I whipped the worker two turns earlier with Kremlin, chopped the first work boat, whipped the granary (just a single Kremwhip). I also whipped (3 pop) the first settler and completed Stonehenge with the overflow. Then did a warrior, work boat, and second settler, finishing Oracle at EOT56.

The divergence was that I also whipped a second worker (2 pop) during the Stonehenge build instead of after.