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[Spoilers] Scraping the bottom of the barrel: Lurker's thread

I think Ellimist is forgetting the existence of Hawks. Nothing is going to sneak up to Mist.

(Unless Mist doesn't have any Hawks at all, he did go Mining-RoK)
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This is interesting stuff to read.
Sciz Wrote:I could see Ellimist killing bob and Ichabod killing Sareln, then Ellimist finds Ichabod and kills him as well (though it will be considerably harder than vs Bob)

Then it will be Mist vs Ellimist and the only chance for Ellimist to win then is he rushes again
Good prediction.
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Ichabod Wrote:Just so everyone know, I wasn't talking about ending the game when Sareln and bob were rushed because the doviello had a too great advantage. I just thought that the game wouldn't be fun and it would end up in a 2 vs. 1. That's all. Ellimist went all defensive in his thread about it, but it had nothing to do with him.

A early second city is not a big advantage under the conditions the doviello had. Keeping bob's capital was a mistake. I was confident I could contain the doviello and I should have been able to if it wasn't for Ellimist overall luck in this game. He lost one wolf taking down both me and bob and he popped 3 hut techs at least.

Sorry for the harsh tone, but this whole "Ichabod was giving up" talking kind of annoyed me. This game should have ended in a boring 2 vs. 1 or a boring 1 vs. 1 stalemate while the 3rd guy tech away situation. Unfortunately for me the RNG decided to disagree.
I was probably a little too harsh in that post. Mostly I was caught by surprise and unsure how to respond directly. Responding in my spoiler thread seemed like a way to get my thoughts into writing without antagonizing you.
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Sareln Wrote:Ellimist v. Mist

Chatted with Mist some today, he stated (and Ellimist just confirmed in his thread) that Ellimist has been trying to keep his score below the x1.5 mark. I suppose my question for that is, if Ellimist has so many promoted and available units, why not declare on the barbs, seize Orthus' axe, and otherwise start training units on everything? Keeping your score artificially low is just keeping Mist in the game IMO.
I didn't really have that many available units and most of them weren't promoted. Only a few units(Lucian, Jackman, wolfpack) had any exp at all.
Part of my problem, since T15 or so, was unit upkeep costs. I decided early on that disbanding any troops was silly if I wanted to win an early conquest victory, but I never had an army that I would have considered excessive(except maybe workers.)

At the same time, it seemed silly to focus my military against the barbarians when I could attack Mist instead. Combine that with Mist being (literally) on the other side of the world from me, and the last thing I wanted to do was fight my way across the map to reach him.

About the score thing, I saw that as something that cut both directions because Mist was also keeping his score lower than it could have been. (That was one reason I mentioned it in chat.) He wasn't founding any more cities or growing his cities bigger than he needed them. I saw this trade off to be favorable to me. Mist and I were both "budgetting" to limit our score increases. Mist was mostly "spending" his score increases on techs, while I was spending mine on population and land(expansion). However, for every score point Mist gained, I could gain 1.5.

This seemed favorable to me in the long run, even if I needed to catch up with tech later. After all, my commerce wasn't vanishing or anything, it was being saved. I had the flexibility of how to spend it, and an expanding empire to leverage in whatever way seemed best.
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Amelia Wrote:Ellimist is using the last trait of the Barbarian i think, which is to hire Wolf Riders. He's aiming for killing Mist outright ASAP, not turning it into a late game.

If you're looking for turning it into a late game, then yes declaring war on the barbs would be best. But given his intention to use Horsemen/Wolf Riders against Archers (not a bad deal, actually), Ellimist is far better off using his Barbarian Trait.

By the way, although Charadon is semi-useless, Ellimist is really showing off the potential of Charadon by utilizing every single thing Charadon can do (Upgrade, Lucian Rush, Barbarian Trait, Goblin Forts). The fact that he still has a slight chance to win after everything says a lot about Charadon though...
^This.

One thing I tried to keep in mind when considering strategies was the stated initial purpose of this game. Of course I wanted to win or otherwise do well, but I also wanted to fully demonstrate whatever Charadon could do.

I think I did pretty well in this regard, I definitely utilized both my traits to the max and was able to minimize the impact of my disadvantages. I made some mistakes and had some lucky breaks, but overall I think I played Charadon as he is meant to be played.
Nicolae Carpathia Wrote:I think Ellimist is forgetting the existence of Hawks. Nothing is going to sneak up to Mist.

(Unless Mist doesn't have any Hawks at all, he did go Mining-RoK)
I had visibility on an ivory tile that Mist never put a camp on. Based on that indication, I assumed he didn't have hunting.
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