WW15 - Chiron is a harsh mistress

[Mattimeo]

Keep your feelings, this CEO just wants your paycheck

Why? So you can split it up to fill three or four of your drone's paychecks?

[thestick]

Thoughts:
-slowcheetah and Maniac don't seem to be saying much and following the crowd. I'm waiting for Sareln and waterbat to pop in Day 2. Especially this by Maniac:

I suspect Molach and thestick because Catwalk voted on them.

-Lewwyn's posts aren't filled with accusations, but instead names. Semi-understandable if we believe that he's looking for Judaa. Also wondering why Lewwyn seems dead-set on pressuring me, he even said he was sorry that Catwalk was gone because he was counting on Catwalk pressuring me.
-I'm no longer getting lurker vibes from Molach, though I'll admit I haven't read too closely into it yet.
-I don't think Catwalk was trying very hard to lynch Molach, just a suspicion for 'general lurkerness.'
-Mattimeo's posts are filled with metagaming thoughts.

Responses:

First up, why claim with 5 mins to go of night 1?

I think that it's because he was hoping that someone would claim Judaa Day 1. After the reveal, I doubt anyone would claim to be him.

[Lewwyn]

[COLOR="Pink"]Lewwyn - do you know if the Usurper knows that you know what you know?
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I know not.

So:
1. Jkaen - (No name)
2. Thestick - no name
3. Serdoa - Sister miriam
4. Tasunke - no name(Thinker)
5. Waterbat - no name
6. Sareln - No name
7. Lewwyn - Lular H’minee
8. Molach - No name
9. Slowcheetah - Lal
10. Mattimeo - Domai
11. Injera - Cha'Dawn
12. bobchillingsworth - Captain Ulrik Svensgaard
13. meiz - Dierdre
14. Selrahc - no name
15. Pindicator - CEO Morgan
16. Novice - Roze
17. Zakalwe - no name
18. Maniac - Colonel Santiago
19. BRickAstley - Chairman Yang
20. Qgqqqqq - Aki-Zeta
21. Catwalk - Zak

So that's 13 named leaders. There are 14 named leaders in the world with Judarr? I'm not very knowledgeable about the world. Either way I would guess at least one of our no namer's is Judarr. We probably have another no name napper as well. Then its likely that 2-3 or of our named counterparts are part of the NAP as well.

Does this help us? Well it helps us if we have a name seer. Congrats villagers you've laid the groundwork to help out any name seer we might have. Honestly this list may be the key or it might be worthless.

I'm not sure yet about my scumdar. But I'm still a bit stuck on stick. We have another day for me to evaluate.

Meiz I actually thought Injera was pretty villagery.

I know there were some other questions for me that I might have missed. I'm not ignoring ask me again.

[Injera]

Getting caught up here.

I was a wolf last game and so were you. And slowcheetah. I would like to see more detail about my posts are similar, examples. However first day last game I was doing my damnedest to act like a villager, see in wolf thread where I say something like 'ill attack anything i would have found suspicious were I a villager, regardless if villager or fellow wolf is target'. You could also go 1-2 more games back when I was villager again and compare if you please. I am trying to be a bit less easygoing this time.

All wolves try to act like villagers. My memories aren't specific, but I recall you would frame things in generalities designed to exclude us that game. I'll try to find some examples and look at your posts from 12-13 as well.

The 'heh' is because I repeat myself, first to look at middle Tasunke voters then middle thestick voters. Middle group is often a safe place, you did not initiate a mislynch, and you are not clinching the vote.

I understand why the middle group is suspect- I assume most of the vets do. The issue is the light-hearted tone when considering the mislynch.

Why pre-emptively, people tend to die in these games. Good to leave behind information survivors can use. I was confident I wouldnt be scumkilled, but turns out catwalk was vigilante, and he wanted to lynch me...mabye he would have sent in a kill if he could.

The "information" you're leaving behind is based on the assumption that both thestick and Tasunke are innocent. Why not wait until a lynch occurs and you learn an alignment? Barring some sort of day vig you weren't going to die earlier than the end of the night.

[Injera]

I remember that in my wolf-game Injera and I were afraid to nightkill Ichabod because he was already onto Injera. We finally did it anyway if I remember correctly but thats not the point. The point is that as wolves imo you will try to kill someone who is onto you before it is obvious. And catwalk was onto Molach as well as thestick. Something I will keep in mind.

Actually, we sent in a kill order for Ichabod but we didn't actually kill him because another wolfpack beat us there first, and I bet they considered the possibility of framing me. The whole framing thing can be read either way fairly easily.

Just looked up the SMAC list of citizen types:

Doctor -> Empath -> Transcend
Librarian -> Thinker -> Transcend
Technician -> Engineer

... ah, yep, I see why some of those names could be used to make assumptions about powers. On the other hand, I'm not sure Tasunke's powers represented what I'd assume about Thinker, either...

For what it's worth, my power has little bearing on my flavor. I imagine some fit and some don't, to avoid gaming it either way.

This analyze Catwalks posts is another point. Not that hard. Basically Catwalk wanted to lynch Molach. I had this sudden thought that pindicator may be actually laying the foundation of a mislynch here without directly voicing suspicion or making a vote. Make the villagers spot who catwalk was after and react. Bob did something similar but he actually did analyze the posts and post result.

Add this to the rest is why I think it's the best candidate for a lynch - or at very least pressure - today.

Yeah, this is a good point.

[Injera]

Injera on the other hand does not seem to hunt wolves. He put his day 1 vote against Sareln "to draw him out of his shell", and concentrated mostly on minor defending of Bob and Tasunke.

I think that's a reasonable use of a first page vote, and his response didn't leave me enthused. Speaking of which, where's Sareln gone off to?

He sat on the fence until there where "only two choises left", and voted Tas, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post282039
No attempts to influence even slightly who would end up on the block. Clean hands eh?

Except I did- you just mentioned it above. I thought Bob had made himself an easy target and I preemptively jumped in to try prevent a bandwagon starting on him. I tried to keep Tasunke off the block as well. I didn't put anyone up myself because I didn't have any strong wolf leads.

Today makes a jump against Molach, without bringing anything original to the table. Not saying this is incriminating, as Molach's role is unknown, but IMO it continues the "easy votes" pattern.

Seriously, nothing original? Sure, slowcheetah got my eyes open, but I called out his Post 282 as scummy as soon as I read it. Does no one else think that "Heh"- as part of a general, paternal tone to the post- is significant?

Keep in mind, being a wolf the last two games has taught me some village tricks, too. Asking Lewwyn for a list of names might seem like fluff, but I didn't want to see a list, I wanted to see his reaction.

[pindicator]

I think that's a reasonable use of a first page vote, and his response didn't leave me enthused. Speaking of which, where's Sareln gone off to?

dontcha know? He always gets a free pass on lurking. Everyone tried to explain this to me last game, how he was always a lurker so it was cool. Can't say i still understand it, but i don't agree with it. Might as well put my vote back on novice since he's always a wolf, if i'm going to agree with that kind of thinking...

[zakalwe]

Pindicator, there can be only one.

I didn't get this joke/reference, Lewwyn. Would you mind explaining it?

[zakalwe]

Won't bother with a quote, since I'm on an iPad, but I didn't think the "heh" was significant. I have a neutral read on Molach currently. He's done a good job of not lurking today.

[thestick]

Might as well put my vote back on novice since he's always a wolf, if i'm going to agree with that kind of thinking...

Do you agree with that kind of thinking?

As for 'why Catwalk' maybe it's that they didn't think he'd be protected?

Looking through novices post and guess what is the 2nd post he did in the game-thread? Right, a question if there are aliens in the SMAC universe. And who would believe it we search an alien. And who is absolutely against telling his name? Right, it is novice.

novice

I believe this color suits you best.

If I'm reading this correctly, your argument goes like this: 'novice's second post was asking if aliens exist in SMAC. Therefore, he would search for an alien. He is also not claiming his name, therefore he must be an alien.'

I'll admit, I don't really follow.