WW15 - Chiron is a harsh mistress

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Current vote Tally:

novice (14): Serdoa, Qgqqqqq, slowcheetah, selrahc, meiz, BrickAstley, Pindicator, Injera, water, molach, maniac, Sareln, thestick, Bobchillingsworth
Molach : Jkaen,
pindicator : zakalwe
zakalwe - mattimeo
thestick - Lewwyn
Bigger - novice*



*you can't lynch a corpse. I died on the unity flight.

[zakalwe]

Serdoa, clearly you were redirected, or an evil spirit - ah screw it.

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Novice

Nice work, Serdoa.

[thestick]

-Sareln's Post 7 seems good to me, but I can't figure out how he made the jump from 'suspicious' to 'wolf.'

He seems too certain, and a lot of his assumptions are implied rather than explicit. Are they buried because he isn't assuming, but rather knows, and so forgets to include them?

It reads to me like 'since Molach doesn't explicitly state his assumptions, he must know that they're true, therefore he's a wolf.' I think that's just due to Molach's writing style, or maybe a language issue.

-Q's case against novice (pre-Serdoa's) appears to rest on novice saying 'By process of elimination' and waiting until the end to name-claim. That, and attacking slowcheetah for being slow. Seems more like lurker-ish and 'new player' than wolfish.
-Mattimeo hasn't said much either, his obsession with aliens standing strong, as evidenced by him voting zakalwe over Selrahc because he agreed with Selrahc's alien stuff. I find him suspicious.
-slowcheetah seemed to follow Catwalk Day 1 (might be wrong on this). His longest post, 513, appears long, but is mostly just zakalwe's posts all put into one place and saying that they aren't really suspicious. I can't really follow the 2 posts after that, then it's a vote on novice. I'm getting the impression that he's a lurker wolf.
-Meiz's case against Brick, to me, reads as if he assumes Brick's guilty then looks for clues from there. First, 'I suspect that Brick couldn't have made a timestamp accusation against Lewwyn by himself, therefore he must have had help, therefore, he's a wolf.' Second, 'Brick made a comment that asks who the NAPers killed, it sounds like he's intentionally trying to distance himself from the NAPers, therefore he is an NAPer.'

Why couldn't Brick have made a timestamp accusation? For the 'distance from NAPers' thing, another explanation is that he really isn't an NAPer and found a 4 minute update delay a cause for concern.
-Is it safe to ignore Serdoa's argument against novice since Serdoa admitted to assuming that novice was guilty before he proved it?

[thestick]

Totally agree. The guy who had tons of thoughts on Day 1 and leads to explore now has no thoughts to contribute and everybody seems like a villager?

I blame this on those being my first impressions before I reread too deeply into anything. I've posted my thoughts above.

It's the softpetalling you've been doing all day.

"How much separation can I create?"

So I'm suspicious because I'm intentionally trying to distance myself from everything? It seems as if Lewwyn's attacking me based on a gut feeling.

*you can't lynch a corpse. I died on the unity flight.

Sure we can! Bring him back to life, then lynch him.

[slowcheetah]

I agree Qgqqqqq is looking village. Between his attacks on novice and novice's back on him. Now, we can't assume novice wouldn't stage something like this, especially after last game. But right now that's less plausible; more plausible is Qgqqqqq is village and novice was reacting to pressure.

Just an addition to this. As one of the wolf sacrifices last game we didn't really stage any specific arguments. We each came up with our own reasoning and pretty much played to that. Admittedly roles were assigned, things are swinging against you so sacrifice, novice and molach are the deep covers etc, but there wasn't particular planned interactions between wolves. This pack might work differently, but since you'd imagine Novice would be a pack leader it probably doesn't.

[slowcheetah]

I'm saying you're suspicious because you're acting suspicious.

I'm probably being dumb here but why is thestick asking particularly suspicious? I know he's mainly just summarising but he's succintly adding his thoughts on alignment to the end of each comment. Seems pretty villagery to me.

[slowcheetah]

Replace asking with acting in the previous post

[Qgqqqqq]

Uh finally caught up.
Leaving aside the novice thing, I feel my actions are being misrepresented.
I voted for slowcheetah for follow the leader votes/posts
The novice thing was brought to a head by the name claim (which is suspicious because of not being sure all leaders were there, 7 others without names etc.)
I am also hurt by the notion that I made up the color thing because of some bizare wolf claim.
Yes I am a noob but it doesnt make me a wolf.

[slowcheetah]

Qgqqqqq? Where were people recently saying that you were a wolf?
The recent arguments of:

Pindicator (Post 568)

I agree Qgqqqqq is looking village. Between his attacks on novice and novice's back on him. Now, we can't assume novice wouldn't stage something like this, especially after last game. But right now that's less plausible; more plausible is Qgqqqqq is village and novice was reacting to pressure.

Meiz (Post 565)

Qgqqq makes a strange accusation against novice, and novices reactions are http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showt...935#post282935 and http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showt...945#post282945

For me it feels genuine enough to think that Qgqqq is not a wolf with novice.

and thestick

-Q's case against novice (pre-Serdoa's) appears to rest on novice saying 'By process of elimination' and waiting until the end to name-claim. That, and attacking slowcheetah for being slow. Seems more like lurker-ish and 'new player' than wolfish.

All seem to indicate that the current view is that you're village. Why the excessive paranoia?

[pindicator]

I'm probably being dumb here but why is thestick asking particularly suspicious? I know he's mainly just summarising but he's succintly adding his thoughts on alignment to the end of each comment. Seems pretty villagery to me.

Meiz and I both come up with points as to why thestick merits some investigation. Personally I thought it was odd that novice would list thestick as his top choice on day 1 and then not even mention him day 2. Now this could be normal progression of choices, but thestick's behavior was arguably more suspicious after night 1. I'm re-reading day 1 and night 1 right now to see if anything doesn't stick - I know Bob was saying that thestick said stuff during night 1 that made him look suspicious so I want to see if I can pick up on that this time.