WW15 - Chiron is a harsh mistress

[Molach]

Q's last message. It was posted by Q, not bigger. It is, I judge, in violation of "without content to the game", but not terribly so. Perhaps he cleared it with Bigger first. I read it mostly as a joke vs. Bigger, and an indication that he had a lead on someone. Perhaps he spotted someone visiting Serdoa night 2, but wanted to investigate more to see if it was doctor, roleblocker or watcher. Don't think it helps us any.

Also mentions one who never was suspected, which may be a lead unless it was Bigger.

It's tempting to 'go back to normal scum-hunting' like said but there is a lot of distractions.

I still believe Sareln might be lurking his way back after worming off the block, and that he is guilty of NAPping in the night.

[Bigger]

Q's last message. It was posted by Q, not bigger. It is, I judge, in violation of "without content to the game", but not terribly so. Perhaps he cleared it with Bigger first. I read it mostly as a joke vs. Bigger, and an indication that he had a lead on someone. Perhaps he spotted someone visiting Serdoa night 2, but wanted to investigate more to see if it was doctor, roleblocker or watcher. Don't think it helps us any.

Also mentions one who never was suspected, which may be a lead unless it was Bigger.

yes, that's exactly what it was. He was poking fun at me, the "one never suspected" is me. He asked if he could make a post making fun of me, I said I didn't mind.
I don't want anyone distracted by a colorful post-death post.

[waterbat]

The possibility of me being duped is valid, but it would mean that lewwyn and his name-seer companion worked tightly together.

As for slowcheetah dying, not sure what to say. Maybe today's partner can confirm me if you need.

I like the huge level of paranoia, jkaen. It's got to be useful in a game like this.
You aren't correct though - I talked to the name-seer day3. Slowcheetah day 2. I will do transcripts when I get back to comp. they are in individual PMs, so I have to do it on a comp.

I'm on phone, but in short, I meant nothing personal, zak. I understand your post completely. If there is an over/under on the # number of small children I have, take the over

I'm really put of pocket on phone today, but hopefully can keep up.

[Jkaen]

Still kicking myself for last game where despite my instincts screaming at me I sided up with Novice. Hence trying to avoid putting anybody in the 100% village bracket without some pretty darn sterling evidence

[Serdoa]

Well I understand that and I'm fine with it Jkaen, but on the other hand, even if I am a wolf there are enough better suspects available and you basically are playing in their hands when you are bringing that topic up again and again now. I feel like you really try to make sure that everyone is distrusting me as much as possible and I am not sure I understand why you do that. Making clear once that we do not have a 100% evidence for me being the seer seems more then enough. But you bring it up, time and again. Why? I find that especially suspicious because it is obvious that - no matter if you believe me or not - if the wolfs have a role-blocker he of course will block the seer. And apart from that, as a wolf wouldn't it be easier for me to tell you that I have scanned someone and he is a villager, I mean I would know as wolf. And that villager could get night-killed then, easily explainable by the wolves not wanting to have a proven villager around and being certain that the baner protects the seer.

I believe there are several much better ways to do this if I was a wolf then just telling you I am blocked. Much more I could do strategy-wise in that case. But I am not, I am the seer and I am honestly tired of you coming up again and again with that I am not to be trusted. I am not to be trusted because when I can't scan I know as much or as little as every other villager without any power. But I think that I have shown due to my contributions that I AM a villager, no matter if I am also the seer or not. Look back at the work I did myself just to get novice lynched without having to tell openly my role. You really think I invest that much time (especially when I am short on time anyway) when I could as easily just claim seer and deliver him?

Again, why bring that up all the time when there are enough much better targets? Do you just try to discredit me? Do you hope that something sticks so you can get me lynched down the road? Whats your intention? Because I honestly don't believe anymore that it is one which profits the village.

[zakalwe]

To sum this mess up, I think there's surely a Wolf at work here, beyond question- but the only name we have is Maniac, and I don't think he's looking guilty.

Why not?

I still believe Sareln might be lurking his way back after worming off the block, and that he is guilty of NAPping in the night.

My concern about Sareln is that he was the first one to fully claim the drone role. Mattimeo only hinted at its ability, first. I can buy a scum drone with the same ability as the village drone(s), but would he be confident enough to claim first? As scum, would he not be worried that the village drones could have subtly different roles?

Also, I will reluctantly vote for the religious crackpot, Serdoa. He really did play his part to perfection on day 2 if he's scum. So I don't see a better mayor candidate, other than myself.

[Jkaen]

Well I understand that and I'm fine with it Jkaen, but on the other hand, even if I am a wolf there are enough better suspects available and you basically are playing in their hands when you are bringing that topic up again and again now. I feel like you really try to make sure that everyone is distrusting me as much as possible and I am not sure I understand why you do that. Making clear once that we do not have a 100% evidence for me being the seer seems more then enough. But you bring it up, time and again. Why? I find that especially suspicious because it is obvious that - no matter if you believe me or not - if the wolfs have a role-blocker he of course will block the seer. And apart from that, as a wolf wouldn't it be easier for me to tell you that I have scanned someone and he is a villager, I mean I would know as wolf. And that villager could get night-killed then, easily explainable by the wolves not wanting to have a proven villager around and being certain that the baner protects the seer.

I believe there are several much better ways to do this if I was a wolf then just telling you I am blocked. Much more I could do strategy-wise in that case. But I am not, I am the seer and I am honestly tired of you coming up again and again with that I am not to be trusted. I am not to be trusted because when I can't scan I know as much or as little as every other villager without any power. But I think that I have shown due to my contributions that I AM a villager, no matter if I am also the seer or not. Look back at the work I did myself just to get novice lynched without having to tell openly my role. You really think I invest that much time (especially when I am short on time anyway) when I could as easily just claim seer and deliver him?

Again, why bring that up all the time when there are enough much better targets? Do you just try to discredit me? Do you hope that something sticks so you can get me lynched down the road? Whats your intention? Because I honestly don't believe anymore that it is one which profits the village.

Erm is time and time again not twice?

Once in my main summary thread and once after you told us you had been blocked a second time, which was obviously an important factor in this. I hardly think thats hammering a point

[Molach]

(Quotes a post by me)
My concern about Sareln is that he was the first one to fully claim the drone role. Mattimeo only hinted at its ability, first. I can buy a scum drone with the same ability as the village drone(s), but would he be confident enough to claim first? As scum, would he not be worried that the village drones could have subtly different roles?

Curious. The text you quote is mine. But the link is to one of mattimeo's posts. Before he died. Mardoc, Mattimeo, Molach yeah its confusing.

Mattimeo's hint would make sense to a drone. And if Sareln is commuter that is a very good village role-claim. If he is not commuter he lied and is NAP. So I think he claimed truthfully.

Weigh: Sareln is a evil NAP commuter (a typical goodie role) versus Bigger made 3 village commuters in the game. Only one of these are possible. (To me and anyone who believes me that is). I also vote Sareln now to get him back into the game.

Why are Meiz, Lewwyn, Zakalwe still alive, by the way? Last night NAP had opportunity to kill/hunt pretty freely. So they kill the new blood. Hm.

Waterbat. I believe Serdoa is innocent seer, but waterbat is innocent as well, and he might have been right last night, while serdoa guessed wrong both lynches (except novice obviously). Besides serdoa won't be around for too long, so less hassle electing waterbat now

[Molach]

Besides serdoa won't be around for too long, so less hassle electing waterbat now

Not to be taken too seriously. I can take the hassle. Previous reason stands.

[zakalwe]

The quoted text was from your post #941. The link was to Mattimeo's post #695, where he first claimed. I was looking at that post also and evidently messed up when compiling my own post. I'm not confused by your names.