Here's my initial stab at a SIP sim with Hunting/Mining. For those used to Quick, do remember this is normal. It's messing with my head too
. I picked T32 as my end date. I'm sure there's a tighter way to do this, but it's kinda late here so I went with whatever sounded best in my head. 
![[Image: hunting_mining_sip.JPG]](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5826112/RB_Demogame/start%20simming/hunting_mining_sip.JPG)
Comments:
1) No Pottery yet, wheel is just finishing at the end of this.
2) If we want to SIP, we want Hunting and not Agriculture. Agri is useless, but Hunting is important as it lets us go settle and immediately improve the deer.
3) The major problem here is the worker literally has nothing to do between pasture and BW finishing. No real way to rememdy this honestly.
4) I tried teching BW first and chopping instead of pasturing first, but it was slightly slower and cost extra forests, so AH first is necessary
![[Image: hunting_wheel_sip.JPG]](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5826112/RB_Demogame/start%20simming/hunting_wheel_sip.JPG)
Comments:
1) This keeps all our forests, so being "behind" is a slight illusion here as we're about to have 2 workers and all our forests yet to chop.
2) This gets a cottage online probably 20T earlier. Tech is SLOW on Prince/Toroidal, so this is nice. Also nice to be able to build a granary way earlier for EXP.
3) Sorry for the "T15-T32" thing that didn't keep great detail. I got a bit lazy, but the screenshot should show what I did.
Conclusions
I'm thinking that the Hunting/Wheel start is actually slightly preferable here for a SIP start. Hunting/Mining is definitely preferable to Agriculture/Mining. But the Hunting/Wheel start is very nice as it prevents worker downtime and gets Pottery WAY faster. Some variation of Version 2 where we tech BW before Pottery should probably be considered, but we'd wait SO long for Mining/BW that I don't think it's going to be worth it.


Quote:Verson 1 - hunting/mining SIP tech AH
t11: worker onto pigs. start warrior on floodplains
t12: start bw
t16-t24: worker has nothing to do!!
t17: start settler @ sz2
T25: start chop on forest, start wheel
t27: chop completes settler
t28: start worker. due to overflow, worker due in 4T.
t30: start camp at second city
T32 summary: 2 cities, 2 workers, improved pigs, 1 forest chopped, deer and wheel 1T away from being done
Comments:
1) No Pottery yet, wheel is just finishing at the end of this.
2) If we want to SIP, we want Hunting and not Agriculture. Agri is useless, but Hunting is important as it lets us go settle and immediately improve the deer.
3) The major problem here is the worker literally has nothing to do between pasture and BW finishing. No real way to rememdy this honestly.
4) I tried teching BW first and chopping instead of pasturing first, but it was slightly slower and cost extra forests, so AH first is necessary
Quote:Version 2 - hunting/wheel SIP tech AH. (pottery before BW version)
t11: worker onto pigs. ah in EOT. start settler in cap.
start teching fishing next for pottery
t15-32: pasture finished. road up to second city while we wait for pottery. settler completes and can move onto forest hill in 1T. settle city, camp deer, begin FP cottage. after settler grow cap to sz2 then worker.
T32 summary: 2 cities, 1 worker (2nd due in 4T), pigs/deer improved, road connection, pottery in, first cottage on shareable FP almost done.
Comments:
1) This keeps all our forests, so being "behind" is a slight illusion here as we're about to have 2 workers and all our forests yet to chop.
2) This gets a cottage online probably 20T earlier. Tech is SLOW on Prince/Toroidal, so this is nice. Also nice to be able to build a granary way earlier for EXP.
3) Sorry for the "T15-T32" thing that didn't keep great detail. I got a bit lazy, but the screenshot should show what I did.
Conclusions
I'm thinking that the Hunting/Wheel start is actually slightly preferable here for a SIP start. Hunting/Mining is definitely preferable to Agriculture/Mining. But the Hunting/Wheel start is very nice as it prevents worker downtime and gets Pottery WAY faster. Some variation of Version 2 where we tech BW before Pottery should probably be considered, but we'd wait SO long for Mining/BW that I don't think it's going to be worth it.