WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[waterbat]

@Rowain, @Pindicator:

I dont have much time to set up a full dossier on each player right now, but I will do a short writeup:

Player list: (in order of signup)
[SIZE="4"]1) novice: the Secretary[/SIZE]
Seemingly Obvtown, but I'm holding back due to his past history.
[SIZE="4"]2) Injera: the Electrician[/SIZE]
Seemed like Injera the wolf to me. Perhaps I've played with him as wolf-buddy one time too many and just am colored by it.
[SIZE="4"]3) Meiz: the Firefighter[/SIZE]
Attack on me seems forced, but not any differently than I would expect from him.
[SIZE="4"]4) zakalwe: the Farmer[/SIZE]
Dead - too big a target
[SIZE="4"]5) Qgqqqqq: the Student[/SIZE]
wasn't seeing the case against him very strong. Don't know why he was equivocating between uberfish and catwalk yesterday, but an avoidance of thestick BW may be it.
[SIZE="4"]6) Rowain: the Town drunk[/SIZE]
Was not suspicious at all until reading thestick's message again after it was posted recently. He initially mentioned "Rowain and waterbat" as unhinged... and then put Rowain in again as one of his suspects. I think in both of these places - he may have been tempted into throwing in a fellow wolf.
[SIZE="4"]7) Molach: the Street musician[/SIZE]
one post struck me as odd:

So if stick flips mafia then we should have a lot to work on tomorrow. And something as well if he is village - passive followers and such.

. That seemed like trying a bit hard to distance himself from the knowledge that thestick was indeed a wolf. I dont know - only 6 posts or so - not much to go off of.
[SIZE="4"]8) Azza: the Mechanic[/SIZE]
no read - seems like he is legitimately getting his feet wet here. watch for the sharks, azza!
[SIZE="4"]9) Waterbat: the Clergy[/SIZE]
so innocent it hurts
[SIZE="4"]10) Pindicator: the Lawyer[/SIZE]
liked Rowain's argument on him. The very scummy voting pattern at the end of the day does not help.
[SIZE="4"]11) Merovech: the Bartender[/SIZE]
no read at all
[SIZE="4"]12) Serdoa: the Chef[/SIZE]
no read, but I still feel like i need to have brick roleblock him each night
[SIZE="4"]13) Bigger: the Milkman[/SIZE]
I dont think the votes necessarily clear him. I think Mattimeo was the true mislynch target and when that wagon failed, the revert to Bigger may have been a ploy. Not sure about this - but not willing to clear either.
[SIZE="4"]14) Ichabod: the Pizza Delivery Boy[/SIZE]
slippery one. Not sure about alignment
[SIZE="4"]15) Arromir: the Newspaper Editor[/SIZE]
suspicious activities for a newbie
[SIZE="4"]16) Sareln: the Psychiatrist[/SIZE]
very surprised he has 8 votes already today. needs to show up to account for his actions at the deadline, hmmm....
[SIZE="4"]17) tasunke: the Librarian[/SIZE]
i like his style burn everything
[SIZE="4"]18) thestick: the Mailman[/SIZE]
dead. loving how he voted me for a post that was a joke partially aimed at him (placing a proclamation of innocence in all caps) perhaps I should have made it size=5 as well.
[SIZE="4"]19) Lewwyn: the Garbage collector[/SIZE]
I don't mind that he's collecting garbage on everyone, but i do wonder what he does with it back in his lair
[SIZE="4"]20) uberfish: the Barrel-maker[/SIZE]
my prime suspect at this point - although very astute and don't think that he would be so obvious a mafia.
[SIZE="4"]21) Catwalk: the Bureaucrat[/SIZE]
lean village on catwalk. seems to be trying legitimately to be helpful
[SIZE="4"]22) Gaspar: the Carpenter[/SIZE]
was looking forward to playing with gaspar - i may have just given his arguments more cred than they deserve.
[SIZE="4"]23) Jkaen: the Olive Picker[/SIZE]
i don't like his style - but i dont see anything different that the last few times we mislynched him for more minor reasons.
[SIZE="4"]24) Mattimeo: the Wine connoisseur[/SIZE]
my read is village on mr mattimeo. i wonder what would have happened with no claim. if mattimeo wolf, couldnt they see that if mattimeo claimed, the votes would go back to the stick? I'd think a more elaborate play was in order there.
[SIZE="4"]25) Selrahc: the Knife smith[/SIZE]
No read. must watch for the knives that he makes don't end up in our backs.
[SIZE="4"]26) Twinkletoes89: the Barber[/SIZE]
No read.


so.... im a bit embarrassed by the number of "no reads" I just havent taken very good notes about individual posts/actions this game. I also would like to review yesterday's voting - I am just taking people at their word for the exact sequence of events.

with the limited info above, if I'd have to pick 5 more wolves, it would be:

uberfish
pindicator
Qgqqqqq
Arromir

not sure of the 5th....

Rowain (although I think Rowain and pindicator are mutually exclusive for mafia, so if pindicator flips town, i'd put rowain up on my list in his place)

or

Molach


pretty big cross post - so before Lewwyn accuses me of being under pressure so I draw up a list, I don't feel under pressure, but I have been asked twice to "draw up a list" in other words.

I am definitely willing to join Bigger on uberfish

My reasoning goes back to the early game. I feel like I am seen by the experienced players as an easy mislynch. I think uberfish's post that jumped all over my first post was laying the groundwork for that lynch. Subsequent posts did not seem helpful or pro-town. The voting pattern also not kind to uberfish either (although admittedly i have to review).

I am also not ready to pile on a single candidate. Although bigger is correct - waiting for Sareln to defend, getting bored, and moving elsewhere is a pattern that we have seen before. This pattern is harmful to us even if he is village - because we will spend future days arguing about Sareln while the mafia safely go about their business.


fake edit: more crossposting

funny catwalk doesnt want to post a list because he doenst have interesting things to say about people. I don't either , but put all of that banality out there for everyone to read. Sorry guys!

moving catwalk down a notch every time he posts. This is odd though - in past games when I had that feeling about someone (or was pretending to have that feeling about someone), Lewwyn would come swooping into the rescue. I.E. "Its so obvious an innocent is flailing about".

Lewwyn, what makes catwalk's flailing different than say... Twinkletoes' flailing a few games back? I think you even defended me when i was an innocent flailing.