Ok, I still haven't read all that was posted on day 2, but let me answer to these accusations.
Very nice, three votes, all based on Zakalwe's post before death. I bet if these three players were forced to say what was Zak's case against me right now, they wouldn't know how to explain it. But, of course, no such thing can be done, so let's proceed.
Zak's case against me, as far as I can tell, is based on my post against Gaspar that was coincidentally made while thestick was starting to be pressured by him and Novice and the fact that I said I suspected thestick but didn't vote for him. That's it. The rest is gut feeling (it was a "scummy post") + assumptions (like that I stopped posting due to fear of getting battered again).
You know what's interesting about this? It's interesting that there was a player who did the exact same thing that Zak accused me of doing, at basicly the same time. It was Lewwyn and I pointed this out in my answer to Zak, before end of night 1. Let's see:
I ask everyone to go back and read this posts in the time they were made. Lewwyn went aboard with the thestick lynch, but when the heat started getting really high, he jumped ship. Maybe he found someone he suspected more, maybe he was trying to divert attention away. But one thing is certain, it was the same thing that Zakalwe's accused me off.
But did anyone take the time to go and check that? Not the people who voted for me, apparently, which is frustrating.
And regarding the posts from the people that voted for me, at least Rowain and Jkaen said explicitly that they were just following Zak. Gaspar post is a whole other level:
He made sure to point out that he's not following Novice and Zak, he just reached the same conclusion, even though he probably didn't go to look for the posts by Lewwyn, like I already had indicated in my answer. Why suspect me based on something and not Lewwyn based on the same thing? If you agree with the read from Zak, that should be explained.
There is also a very bad and suspicious part in this post, that I want to point out:
"While I generally think you're an excellent player, I think you think you understand me better than you actually do due to WW7 and this probably leads to you thinking you can lynch me. I only hang when I'm guilty, though".
Thinking I can lynch you? Holy, that's a good one. Let's point some things here:
1. You imply that I, a wolf, think I can lynch you, a villager, because I think I understand you more than I do. But what understanding you has to do with anything if I'm a wolf?? If I'm a wolf, I don't need to understand you, I know you are a villager or a wolf. I need to understand you if I'm a villager and I don't have this info. Understanding is moot when someone is playing wolf.
If I was a wolf, I would only need to fake a case and that's it. There's no understanding involved. Just fake some things that stick and there you go. Gut feelings and understanding don't play a part in it. You are using a rationale based on villager play to accuse me of wolf play. It doesn't make any sense.
2. You imply that I made some sort of egocentric attempt to lynch you, me being a wolf and you a villager. Why on earth would I do that? Why wouldn't I pick an easier player, someone that made a slip (I already pointed this out, but I don't think anyone paid attention). It's not hard to find this things in a day 1 with 26 players if you are a wolf.
"Leads to you thinking you can lynch me"? Do you really believe in your own words? You were the one who pointed out that I'm an extremely careful player as a wolf, especially because I don't want to harm my team. So why would I get a crazy desire to lynch you and throw me in the middle of the heat (especially since, originally, I was supposed to be trying to save thestick - even more reason to go for an easy target)? This doesn't add up. I'm not a narcisistic player like that. I was not trying to set you up. I suspected you based on a tell and I presented it, that was it.
Seriously, this post by Gaspar is so, so bad, that I'll be amazed to see if no one picked on it (I haven't read all the thread so there's still hope), especially with everyone saying that Gaspar is easy to read. This post is very similar to the Injera/Catwalk one from the beggining of the game, that I argued about (an argument that was so bad and scummy according to everyone). It's just a bad attempt at making a case, because everyone is expecting a case from Gaspar. Compare Gaspar post with the one from Jkaen and Rowain to see how they say the same, but the one from Gaspar is way more cautious and way more "this is my own thoughts, not from other people". But, essentialy, they are the same.
Now I just need to figure out if this is just bad/lazy play by Gaspar or if he's just a wolf slipping and giving himself easily. Leaning more to the latter right now.
Rowain Wrote::wave2: zakalwe
Ok with novice.
Oh and a good day starts with a red vote so in memoriam zakalwe: Ichabod
Gaspar Wrote:Not for nothing, but you tried to set me up in WW11, when you were scum. While I generally think you're an excellent player, I think you think you understand me better than you actually do due to WW7 and this probably leads to you thinking you can lynch me. I only hang when I'm guilty, though. :oldwink:
I feel fairly secure that zakalwe and novice's reads are what got them killed and post-restricted respectively, and I think at this moment in time I like this read best.
Ichabod
Jkaen Wrote:I think even a post restricted Novice can be a good mayor
I will try to reread the thread, but for nowI will follow a dead mans read
Ichabod
Very nice, three votes, all based on Zakalwe's post before death. I bet if these three players were forced to say what was Zak's case against me right now, they wouldn't know how to explain it. But, of course, no such thing can be done, so let's proceed.
Zak's case against me, as far as I can tell, is based on my post against Gaspar that was coincidentally made while thestick was starting to be pressured by him and Novice and the fact that I said I suspected thestick but didn't vote for him. That's it. The rest is gut feeling (it was a "scummy post") + assumptions (like that I stopped posting due to fear of getting battered again).
You know what's interesting about this? It's interesting that there was a player who did the exact same thing that Zak accused me of doing, at basicly the same time. It was Lewwyn and I pointed this out in my answer to Zak, before end of night 1. Let's see:
Lewwyn Wrote:Who's trying to cozy up to who Tasunke? A few posts ago you wanted to be my best friend as soon as someone else does the same thing you do you edge off? Competition for my affection is too scary it seems.
Catching up in the morning is always a pain. Something that struck me earlier was Injera's tone and aggressiveness. I really think that Injera is a villager. That said I don't see the argument against Gaspar, probably because I also suspect catwalk. Either way more important fish to fry.
The other big argument here is thestick and I'm on board to a point. My only issue is he's only got one post so we can call this a definitive lynch. So come on thestick.
Lewwyn Wrote:sorry, should be: can't call this a definitive lynch*
Still waking up :zzz:
Lewwyn Wrote:The core reason that I'm okay with voting for thestick is that I feel his post was, yes, A) lazy B) Trying WAY too hard. I'm on board to that point and there's a lot to be said for that much. I'm not so much on board with the questions bit being out of line for thestick. Last game had a similar feel in terms of style for him, but then I suppose I suspected him in that game as well. This time though there's no private convo he can whip out to prove his villageryness.
Lewwyn Wrote:WTF? I had to read this like 5 times before I even think I understand what you're trying to say. Are you saying that Gaspar fabricated "a little gem of insight" (Also wtf is this BTW) as a result of having 2 extremely early votes that didn't really mean much? That he was spooked into coming after you? Or are you saying you intentionally posted what you posted in order to "trap" some unwitting wolf in your web? I mean... WTF. Catwalk
Lewwyn Wrote:What's up with all the people not voting? EH?
I'm going to bed soon. Midnight here. Won't be up for lynch. In the end the important stuff is going to happen after I go to sleep.
Bigger
I ask everyone to go back and read this posts in the time they were made. Lewwyn went aboard with the thestick lynch, but when the heat started getting really high, he jumped ship. Maybe he found someone he suspected more, maybe he was trying to divert attention away. But one thing is certain, it was the same thing that Zakalwe's accused me off.
But did anyone take the time to go and check that? Not the people who voted for me, apparently, which is frustrating.
And regarding the posts from the people that voted for me, at least Rowain and Jkaen said explicitly that they were just following Zak. Gaspar post is a whole other level:
Gaspar Wrote:Not for nothing, but you tried to set me up in WW11, when you were scum. While I generally think you're an excellent player, I think you think you understand me better than you actually do due to WW7 and this probably leads to you thinking you can lynch me. I only hang when I'm guilty, though. :oldwink:
I feel fairly secure that zakalwe and novice's reads are what got them killed and post-restricted respectively, and I think at this moment in time I like this read best.
Ichabod
He made sure to point out that he's not following Novice and Zak, he just reached the same conclusion, even though he probably didn't go to look for the posts by Lewwyn, like I already had indicated in my answer. Why suspect me based on something and not Lewwyn based on the same thing? If you agree with the read from Zak, that should be explained.
There is also a very bad and suspicious part in this post, that I want to point out:
"While I generally think you're an excellent player, I think you think you understand me better than you actually do due to WW7 and this probably leads to you thinking you can lynch me. I only hang when I'm guilty, though".
Thinking I can lynch you? Holy, that's a good one. Let's point some things here:
1. You imply that I, a wolf, think I can lynch you, a villager, because I think I understand you more than I do. But what understanding you has to do with anything if I'm a wolf?? If I'm a wolf, I don't need to understand you, I know you are a villager or a wolf. I need to understand you if I'm a villager and I don't have this info. Understanding is moot when someone is playing wolf.
If I was a wolf, I would only need to fake a case and that's it. There's no understanding involved. Just fake some things that stick and there you go. Gut feelings and understanding don't play a part in it. You are using a rationale based on villager play to accuse me of wolf play. It doesn't make any sense.
2. You imply that I made some sort of egocentric attempt to lynch you, me being a wolf and you a villager. Why on earth would I do that? Why wouldn't I pick an easier player, someone that made a slip (I already pointed this out, but I don't think anyone paid attention). It's not hard to find this things in a day 1 with 26 players if you are a wolf.
"Leads to you thinking you can lynch me"? Do you really believe in your own words? You were the one who pointed out that I'm an extremely careful player as a wolf, especially because I don't want to harm my team. So why would I get a crazy desire to lynch you and throw me in the middle of the heat (especially since, originally, I was supposed to be trying to save thestick - even more reason to go for an easy target)? This doesn't add up. I'm not a narcisistic player like that. I was not trying to set you up. I suspected you based on a tell and I presented it, that was it.
Seriously, this post by Gaspar is so, so bad, that I'll be amazed to see if no one picked on it (I haven't read all the thread so there's still hope), especially with everyone saying that Gaspar is easy to read. This post is very similar to the Injera/Catwalk one from the beggining of the game, that I argued about (an argument that was so bad and scummy according to everyone). It's just a bad attempt at making a case, because everyone is expecting a case from Gaspar. Compare Gaspar post with the one from Jkaen and Rowain to see how they say the same, but the one from Gaspar is way more cautious and way more "this is my own thoughts, not from other people". But, essentialy, they are the same.
Now I just need to figure out if this is just bad/lazy play by Gaspar or if he's just a wolf slipping and giving himself easily. Leaning more to the latter right now.