WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Sareln]

Why Catwalk favored? Alot of noise, few suspicions, and a ton of posts after claiming to be gone, and I'm not liking the feel of him right now. Of course, that's all small things so I think it's more effective to lay the vote down and get some pressure going. Sometimes it just has to be played by gut.

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Tasunke's Litany. 15 of his 37 posts, chron. Order from Top to Bottom. I don't quote these as defense per-say, but rather to point out that if I get lynched (and I will flip vanilla villager) you should consider what it says about Tasunke's alignment. Right now I am personally of the opinion that he is also village but is in love with a theory of my guilt .

Sareln

and

Lewwyn

Also Sareln, what the hell with that Amtrak trains excerpt? I think its almost worse than my book report from last game.

I completely overlooked it at first, but I am re-reading now (and it really stuck out, for me), and for you to do something like this ... perhaps a scumtell?

This part sort of stood out to me. Perhaps both Sareln and Lewwyn are wolves? Or maybe just wolf-Sareln is trying to cozy up to Lewwyn? not sure ...

still, its enough of a wolfish read to get me unsure about my Lewwyn vote for mayor.

Therefore, perhaps I shall vote either Zakalwe or Serdoa for mayor.

hmm, are Qqqq, Lewwyn, and Sareln all wolves?

no matter, my strongest read is on Sareln anyways.

looking at the mayor vote tallies, it looks like my vote on Serdoa (for mayor) may not do much good. Therefore, I think that perhaps I should land my vote on Zakalwe for now.

Well Sareln, I suppose that for now there is the excuse for you being on the road (what with the Amtrak, but I'm pretty sure you'd have a lot of free time on a train )

... but you just don't seem to be giving us your normal "village helpfulness" ... I mean sure, you've given spread sheets as a wolf before, but c'mon ... you have given almost no explanation for any of your actions (other than for why you are voting for Mattimeo)

For instance, could you give some more explanation for why you are voting Lewwyn for mayor? And why you then followed him onto Qqqqqq? At least I did give some explanation, and upon reviewing the evidence I decided to change my mayoral vote (in part due to your continued lack of explanation). So what are your reasons then?

the stick

not sure how much time until the deadline (likely not much, I'd imagine), but it doesn't look like my Sareln vote is going to do me much good today. And although Mattimeo was silly for voting me, he doesn't seem to be screaming wolf at the moment. I'll need to look into this.

I still fine Sareln to be quite suspicious. After all, his vote right after Serdoa switched off Mattimeo baited Serdoa into re-voting matt. (yes, I'll admit the logic is a bit circular, but think about it!)

I feel that the sudden string of votes against Matt was primarily a wolf push (with innocents mixed in of course) and that Sareln was at the heart of it.

iirc, there WAS a push against Bigger at the last minute, and Sareln was involved in that push too

Guys? I just did the tally and ... this vote was a LOT more close than any of us villagers thought

Final tally was thestick(9) and Bigger(8)!

Here is the breakdown

The Stick: Zakalwe, Novice, Bigger, (Merovech left), Tasunke, Mattimeo, Arromir, Serdoa, (Pindicator left), Twinkletoes, and Molach.

Bigger: Rowain, Lewwyn, Injera, Jkaen, (Catwalk left), Sareln (324), Merovech (328), Uberfish (336), re-Catwalk (337)***

Injera: Gaspar n Waterbat

Waterbat: Azza

Uberfish: Qqqq

Gaspar: Selrahc

Jkaen: Meiz

Merovech: Pindicator


***= the final assault

The Stick: Zakalwe, Novice, Bigger, (Merovech left), Tasunke, Mattimeo, Arromir, Serdoa, (Pindicator left), Twinkletoes, and Molach.

Bigger: Rowain, Lewwyn, Injera, Jkaen, (Catwalk left), Sareln (324), Merovech (328), Uberfish (336), re-Catwalk (337)***

the dark red didn't help ... so here is in all white for clarity

I gave post numbers to the votes of the final Bigger push.

You can see Sareln kicking it off right after Catwalk left, similar to how Sareln voted Mattimeo right after Serdoa left matt.

Then you see, within 10 minutes, Merovech and Uberfish backing up Sareln's vote.

And finally, Catwalk switches to Bigger, a vote he had earlier.

Yes, I feel that Sareln and Uberfish's involvement in the pushes for both Mattimeo and Bigger as quite telling, personally.

Not just that, but the way they have been posting. For instance Uberfish's "fake anger" in posts 206 and 208.

It is possible that in posts 206-208 or so (including Novices suspicions of Uberfish much earlier) could have been a classical distancing move between Uberfish and Novice.

Then perhaps Uberfish felt that he could risk getting himself directly involved in pushes, so that if he took the fall Novice wouldn't go with him? Hard to say for now.

But what I *DO* know is that Uberfish and Sareln look quite scummy ... and if Uberfish is indeed scum, it is quite possible that there was an actual planned distancing in posts 206-208 ... making Novice a likely lurker wolf.

Still, far better, in my opinion at least, to lynch the obvious wolves before the lurker wolves.

Therefore a Sareln (or Uberfish) lynch tomorrow would be as good as any.

(I had been keeping my suspicions of Uberfish a secret throghout the day, but I think that now is a well enough time to reveal them)

So Merovech ... while you are talking about "reasons for voting bigger", and agreeing that voting bigger is a bit suspicious, you, who voted bigger in the midst of the dogpile, what possible reason could you have for thinking the stick as innocent?

And I would like to hear a reason, instead of "well, I started to think he was innocent".

And don't try to say its because of his watcher power, because you made no mention of his roleclaim as far as I can tell.

Instead, you dryly said "I think the stick may be innocent" after who knows how many hours of having your vote on said stick. Now, yes, *perhaps* you are less suspicious because you weren't being Obv wolf like Sareln or Uberfish, plus the fact that you were voting the stick anyways (and so voting for a fellow wolf does look a bit scummy) BUT! In the end, at 10 minutes to go, you switch from fellow wolf to possible victim. Why the switch? Well its pretty wolfish to switch at the very last minute in order to get the result you wanted, and maybe your vote towards the stick was only an attempt at cover, and to artificially boost the 'stick vote' to make it easier, later on, to can some other guy.

Still, this is like, the *only* scummy thing I've seen you do thus far, but its still pretty bad in my book. You and Pindicator both it seems, but since Pindicator didn't vote for 2nd runner up, perhaps it was, in actuality, solely due to the power claim.

I don't really want to come across as acrimonious ... its just that you, who have voted Bigger in a shady manner, are accusing others by way of piggy backing on other people's ideas AND trying to distract us from Obvscum Sareln.

That is all.

(Pindicator, I don't really think you are scum because you de-voted stick ... its just that you followed a similar pattern so I felt it was woth mentioning ... but then again I think you actually mentioned his power claim in your unvote/revote thing. I dunno, I mean neither of you are Obvscum or anything, but I also think that Merovech is a darker shade of suspicious than you are).

In summary...

Sareln and Uberfish = obvscum

Merovech = Dark Shady

Catwalk = light shady

Pindicator = sketchy


But in reality, the only people I am anywhere near close to voting for (tomorrow) would be Sareln and Uberfish.

thank you for extrapolating.

I cannot agree, however, that Injera and Catwalk are scummier than Sareln.

I've been getting a rather null-read on Injera up till now, perhaps I should re-read to see where you are coming from.

hmm, so wrapped up in voting for mayor I forgot my lynch vote.

Sareln

As to my own votes day 1, I opened with Tasunke, Followed Lewwyn onto Qgqqqqq, Pushed Mattimeo as an alternative to theStick, and then pushed Bigger as an alternative to theStick and Mattimeo since I think a more conservative play would've been better than potentially lynching a village investigative/protective role. Sounds pretty damn bad when we know now that theStick was guilty as hell, doesn't it?

But think about the atmosphere of day 1 when we didn't know anything about theStick? He makes one 20-questions style post and gets some pressure, which builds throughout the course of the day. There's a general sense of unease: how come this wagon is sticking? If theStick's a wolf shoudln't there be some attempt to save him? The sinking feeling is that he's a villager, but because he has disappeared, people who've voted for him have no reason to move their votes, and the wolves are content with the situation. (this turns out not to be true, but we don't know that at the time). So then if we're careening towards a blow-out day 1 without (to me) an obvious case, it becomes imperative to mix things up. Even if we end up lynching the same guy (which we do), we should try and generate some movement for us to analyze later in the game.

And yes, I'm aware of the irony there, but better to get some movement and action and draw a bunch of heat than to let a lot-to-a-little lynch go through and learn nothing if the person is innocent.

Of course it's just my luck theStick flips wolf, so now I'm screwed.

@ Bigger, I guess the sticking memories in WW for me are the ones where it's lynch defense time. Didn't realize my record was so good in the last 5 - 6 games.