uberfish Wrote:Back from lunch, do I really have to spell everything out for you people?
A run on TT? really? Pindicator and myself were on him at the start of the day and he picks up one vote from Molach, calls it a run and implies with no evidence whatsoever that it's manipulated by wolves. LOL
so thestick was bussed. Ok
so WHY THE FUCK WOULD I CONSPICUOUSLY TRY TO SAVE THESTICK IF I WAS SCUM AND MY PARTNERS WERE BUSSING HIM
and switching to me isn't moving to another popular lynch target apparently
Stretching to draw a completely spurious connection to Sareln's wagon when I was pushing him since the beginning of the day
In short TT's justification for voting me is absolutely illogical and terrible
AND NOW
look at TT's stances today, his philosophy has always been "question the obvious" and to be suspicious of popular wagons, he doesn't trust Mattimeo's claim either
go reread what he does on pp25-29 where he happily jumps on the flashwagon on Mattimeo, snap unvotes when Matt claims without questioning it, and uncritically hops back on thestick when momentum moves there
why's there such a difference?
Because TT is scum and was caught by surprise on the Mattimeo moves yesterday
If he was town, he'd have been his usual paranoid self, looked at 5 votes in 5 posts on Matt or however many it was suspiciously, and at least questioned whether it was a scum move before piling on the wagon. Same with accepting Matt's claim and flipping back to thestick. I can't remember town TT ever being content to crowdsurf in this fashion, much less 3 times in a row. The reason he didn't question any of these moves is because he already knew what was going on. Because he is scum. He saw an opportunity to try and save thestick by pushing an alternate wagon, and when Matt claimed, he KNEW the claim was true and got off as fast as possible. That's why critical thought never entered his mind.
Uberfish, it seems that you like misreading my words or twisting them.
Lime bit -> I did not state there was a full on run on me like you suggest. Read again and you will say that I mentioned that there was 'a bit of a move on me' yet acknowldeged that it was too early to tell if it was actually going anywhere.
I did not imply that the run on me was manipulated by wolves either. I mentioned the runs on Sareln, Ichabod and Pindicator as well as the mini-run on me and suggested that at least one of them was being manipulated by wolves. There was no specifying of which one. So again, you have twisted my words.
Orange Bit -> I doubt that even if thestick was bussed, all wolves would act the same. If they did it would be easy to find them. Some wolves will have tried to look as if they were saving him and some not if they have any sense, so that if one thread gets unravelled and a few mafia are caught, some other mafia will not get caught by it and may even gain cover by it. You're effectively saying "a mafia would never do that", which is a flimsy excuse at best.
Blue bit -> Again you are twisting my words. I was not tying your actions to the Sareln lynch or saying your vote on me was as a result of that.
What I actually said was that since the sareln lead had collapsed, there was no candidate who was far ahead and plenty of noise about a few candidates. This amount of candidates with relatively similar vote counts means that it is easy for the mafia to start manipulating momentum on one of those people who is innocent to save any who aren't.
On Mattimeo
I voted for Mattimeo because out of all the cases at the time, his was the only one that even half convinced me and I was worried about just having one single candidate in for lynching, as there hadn't been much movement of alternative targets which normally suggests a mislynch this early imo.
When he claimed, my gut feel was that it was genuine and so I am not too proud to accept that I am wrong and thestick's claim made me sure he was lying so I moved on to him. Perfectly reasonable actions imo.
As regarding my second thoughts on him, I saw thestick's role name have a mafia-style flavour and I believe that that would be consistent for all roles, of which I don't think cloaker fits. Hence I am now of the belief that he is holding back on something and could well be lying.
And the reason there is a difference that you make such a big deal out of... The presence of new information in thestick's role name. Which (as you well know) happened after he was lynched and my switch off Mattimeo. Oh wow! Major conspiracy here...
Any better for you?
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