Ichabod Wrote:Lewwyn et al., if Zakalwe was always right, WW games would be boring as hell. It's really annoying being attacked due to this flimsy justification over and over again.
Let me be clear about something. I actually did not rate you highly as a suspect last night. I also only really skimmed Zak's post originally because I was more focused on my own case against Catwalk. (Who I still find suspicious.) So my case has much less to do with Zak's read and MUCH more to do with your reaction to his post, you're original downplay of certain elements of his case and the rather forced connection to me saying I did the same thing as you.
Of the things you explain from Zak's post, (2)Gaspar was heavily suspected by Injera at the time (Maybe still is?), (3) you say "I tried to explain it better" which might have been interpreted as backpedalling, (5) not sure I understand reading those quotes how you have explained it, but that's less of a concern for me, (4) you are being more aggressive now but you were much more passive day 1 that's what he's talking about and I actually agree with that part.
Ichabod Wrote:I'll explain paragraph from paragraph of Zak's post (the ones you quoted):
1. What is an archetypical wolf Ichabod post? I don't know myself and Zak didn't explain himself. If you can explain what you understand from that, I can try answering, but without an explanation, I really can't say.
Again, passive, not as aggressive, noncommittal, multiple suspects, slightly off arguments.
I just went back and reread your bit about Gaspar not being a catherder when he plays villager... I think that's false.
***But, like I said earlier, that is not the main issue for me. That is not the core reason I am voting for you.
Ichabod Wrote:I was just pointing out that there was another player that did the same thing I was being accused of and no one cared. I already had admited that Zak's thoughts about the timing of my post made sense (it was a good wolf tell). In my case, it was a coincidence. In your case, I don't know. I thought about voting for you on day 2, due to not only that, but your general lack of meaningful participation. But I agreed with your comments on Catwalk and that looked like a better lynch.
Once again. I did not do the same thing as you. You keep saying it, but it doesn't make it true! I actually voted for thestick and I actually specifically said why I thought his post was scummy unlike you who said:
Ichabod Wrote:The vote against thestick seems like a nice one. I agree with the reasoning behind it, but those multi-quote posts aren't only a wolf thing. I tend to do them when I miss the thread for a long time and I have a lot of posts to read. Every interesting post during the time I'm reading gets quoted and later I comment on some/all of them. But, yeah, there wasn't much of a thread to read when he made that.
So, I wouldn't mind with a thestick lynch, but I don't want to vote for him right now.
The vote against thestick seems like a NICE one? WTF? You tell us you agree with the reasoning. Fine. You tell us you wouldn't mind thestick lynch. Fine. But in the end you didn't vote for thestick and you didn't vote for Gaspar. You didn't vote for anyone. You didn't do the same thing as me because I actually put my money where my mouth was and voted as I voiced suspicions.
Ichabod Wrote:The conclusion you take from my comment is a bad one and a pretty forced one. I pointed out that two similar behaviours were getting treated differently without any reasoning as to why (especially since I had mentioned that during night 1 and no one cared to look at it before voting for me on day 2). That statement is true and no one seems to care that a dozen players are getting a free vote pass by saying "zakalwe said it!".
I don't see how its forced. I do not see us as having done the same thing and while you might draw aspirations of similarity I simply don't see it. Thus all I see is you twisting arguments to draw a connection. And you yourself are saying NOW that you DID suspect me and you were sort of trying to implicate I'm a wolf by tying me to behavior that got you suspected.
Ichabod Wrote:Again, I say the same thing I said to Gaspar. I don't play this game thinking of other specific players, either with a wolf or a villager role. What sense would it make to connect myself to you as a wolf? Do you see this kind of strategy working if I'm a wolf? With 26 people talking a lot, do you think everyone would notice how you and me were connected and no one would point out the obvious "wolf would/would not do this" like always? This doesn't make sense...
What? Why wouldn't a wolf who is under fire try to draw similarities to someone they know is innocent in order to create an out for themselves? Yes, its classic a wolf would do that, but there's a reason a wolf WOULD do that. And if someone brings it up saying its wolfish, you get to say, "A wolf wouldn't do that!" So yes, it totally makes sense.
I feel like you have, in fact, once again, the same as you originally did with Zak's argument, dismissed relevant parts of my argument and focused on things you can more readily defend and easily repeat. IE: that we did similar things in a similar situation. But again, this is what bothers me most and what makes me feel that you are scum. Zak had his case, I have mine. His is based off of a Day 1 post you made, mine is based off of your Day 2 post. I acknowledge Zak's reads, but ultimately am voting for you based on personal reads due to the shiftiness of your arguments.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”