Twinkletoes89 Wrote:Uberfish, it seems that you like misreading my words or twisting them.
Lime bitI did not imply that the run on me was manipulated by wolves either. I mentioned the runs on Sareln, Ichabod and Pindicator as well as the mini-run on me and suggested that at least one of them was being manipulated by wolves. There was no specifying of which one. So again, you have twisted my words.
firstly, saying that "at least one of these runs" is being manipulated by wolves is extremely vague. I mean, at least 1 in 4 wagons is probably going to have active wolves on it just by random chance. And as you've said that you don't like all the wagons. Whom do you think are the wolves pushing the wagons? And since you put your own wagon on the list, you are implying that it was potentially manipulated by wolves. Quote:Orange Bit -> I doubt that even if thestick was bussed, all wolves would act the same. If they did it would be easy to find them. Some wolves will have tried to look as if they were saving him and some not if they have any sense, so that if one thread gets unravelled and a few mafia are caught, some other mafia will not get caught by it and may even gain cover by it. You're effectively saying "a mafia would never do that", which is a flimsy excuse at best.
Sure you can never say "never", but the point of a bus is to buy people cover, and putting players in the most incriminating position after the lynch makes no sense! Bussing mafia wants villagers to be exposing themselves on the alternate wagons and maybe gain a mislynch or two out of it. Not everyone would be on the bus - but a far more likely scenario would be 3 on the bus, and 2 either in an early position on the counter wagon or parked on an irrelevant target.
Ok it's possible scum might be either totally uncoordinated or running a deeper multi layered gambit than anything we've yet seen, but if your working theory is mafia bus, you should be pushing the likely bussers, not players in the worst spots on the anti-bus.
Quote:Blue bit -> Again you are twisting my words. I was not tying your actions to the Sareln lynch or saying your vote on me was as a result of that.
What I actually said was that since the sareln lead had collapsed, there was no candidate who was far ahead and plenty of noise about a few candidates. This amount of candidates with relatively similar vote counts means that it is easy for the mafia to start manipulating momentum on one of those people who is innocent to save any who aren't.
Er, you accused me in the same paragraph of being a wolf manipulating your wagon:
TT Wrote:Thus, I am going to go back to uberfish as he's the main person advocating my lynch and I think that with the collapse of Sareln's large lead in the lynch vote, there is a lot greater scope for wolfish manipulation and has chosen me as one of those wagons to try and get moving
On Mattimeo
Quote:I voted for Mattimeo because out of all the cases at the time, his was the only one that even half convinced me and I was worried about just having one single candidate in for lynching, as there hadn't been much movement of alternative targets which normally suggests a mislynch this early imo.
Ok, if you felt thestick was a mislynch, then why would you suspect me for sticking to the belief that thestick was a mislynch later on? I mean, you don't suspect Sareln and didn't like that wagon, and Sareln and myself had the same voting profile and were being pushed by the same people.
And you didn't feel that 5 players creating a wagon on Matt out of nowhere was suspicious at all?
as to the role name thing, I don't see much flavour difference between "spy" and "watcher", but I can actually see you seeing a difference.