WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Tasunke]

So here are the "Tasunke Files" ... but bear with me as its copied from word again >< ... maybe I can edit out the graphical errors.

Tasunke Files:
Hmm, at first, after my joke post, I had thought to pretend to be a “Fool” … thereby making people think that by lynching me they would let me win the game. This would be, ultimately, for the purpose of getting a wolf night kill (if possible).
A risky move, but possibly a fun and, if I got night killed, a pro-village one. (as I have no powers).
How I was going to do this was something like this …
“I am a village seer and I scryed myself,seeing that I was a wolf. So yea, I’m a wolf, now lynch me.”
Basically, by being as absurd as possible, perhaps people would start to suspect that I was “The Fool” and would win if I was lynched. Honestly, I think I’d make a good ‘Fool’ on realms beyond at least, possible due to the long-day nature combined with the fact that we are used to not having actual “Fool” roles here. There may even be those participating that wouldn’t know of its existence.
I know that at some point there was Scooter, or someone, I think Scooter, that suspected that I may have been a ‘Fool’ during one of the days of, iirc, my first Werewolf game.
However … a few reasons for me to abandon this tact.
1. Wolf night-killing ME?? Not very likely, especially if enough people want to lynch me for alleged “trolling”
2. Most importantly, the feel of the thread seems to regard my self vote as nothing short of anti-village. Moreover, for the same reason that playing the ‘Fool’ would be easy as pie in Realms Beyond (that no one expects it), no one would ever buy me being the ‘Fool’. Instead, it would just be viewed as (selfish?) trolling, and extremely anti-village.

Now then, while tempted to claim wolf (well yes, at least slightly), I am getting wolf reads on both Sareln and Uberfish at the moment (the latter aided by observations of Novice)
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=145

Hmm, upon re-reading, it appears that I was under approximately ZERO pressure when I revealed this time. So yea …
Honestly I don’t remember where my head was at, at that particular moment … other than I just read the three or so votes against me, and figured (perhaps incorrectly) that revealing I was vanilla villager wouldn’t cause much harm. And I think I was at least somewhat justified in this … after all, how many people are actually going to waste a power on scanning me? I bet they’d think I’d spill the beans or w/e if I was pressured enough. (and I mean pressured *enough* … like when I was the watcher, or heck even the double voter. I mean there, I feel that I had one HELLA amount of pressure.)
This time however, I just went right out and said it, cause, as I said to my selves, “whats the harm?” Well, I suppose, rather unfortunately, that it may have caused some harm to the village … but right now I don’t see the full extent of any negative ramifications … if anything I get a null read on my actions up to this point, at least so far as how my actions will have affected the game towards either the mafia or to us.
Damn, after now having read the rules, “lesser known/used roles” eh? “Roles we haven’t seen much before” eh?
DAMN DAMN DAMN … I could have SO pulled off the village idiot thing. Or Fool, or whatever. I’m pretty sure if I played my act to the fullest, at least SOMEONE would have read the Mafiascum wiki and realize that I may be the Fool role.
Heh …
Still, actually playing the game is slightly more fun than acting. I mean, sure acting can be fun, but only if I look at the RESULTS of my acting. Whereas actually playing I can have fun from post to post, just from my own posting. Yes … very nice, very nice.
Still, it would have been fun outright saying that I was a wolf. Would have been Aweeeee Sommeeeeee. I mean, sure, I guess I could have been killed … but whatever.
Hell, even better, I should have claimed to be an arsonist :P
I should have said something like … so yea, I win with the village of course, of COURSE, but see, I get this kill every night/day cycle? Yea … so its like I’m an infinite vigilante! :D
So like … just tell me what wolves u want me to kill (we can vote for my vig kill during the day just like the lynch), and THIS WAY its almost like we get two lynches per day! Might be good for village, yes? ***61514;

Hehehe … that’d be fun. However actually claiming Arsonist, and making kills … well it’d only really work if I was actually an arsonist. Hmm … but then if I WAS an arsonist, it would not be likely that I’d win with the village, so it’d probably be hard to get village cooperation, work as the village’s rabid guard dog … ***61516;
Oh well. Such ponderings are probably best spent fueling suggestions for the next game
Anyways, time to check the thread again.
Hmm, Lewwyn votes Qqq, then Sareln votes Qqqq
THEN I make a remark of Sareln cozying up to Lewwyn. and THEN Lewwyn swiches off of Qqqq onto the stick. Both wolves? Is possible.
So yea, I know wolf lists are frowned upon … but if I had to guess, I’d guess Lewwyn, Sareln, Uberfish, and Possibly Qqqq.
Yet for factors I will keep from myself (or will I? MUAHAHAHAHAHA) I am not that certain of Lewynn or Qqqq.
I mean, Q voted for me, so that’s a strong reason to vote for him right there. Well, not really, but it might bias me towards thinking he is a wolf. And lewwyn? well, in the past while playing with him, I have been prone to thinking that he was a wolf.
Therefore, I do say, Sareln and Uberfish are the two wolves I must suspect at the moment. But really, if I climb up a tree and get some binoculars, maybe I’ll get a better view? Well, at least one of Stacy’s mom, but I’m looking for wolves, not wanting to be a peeping tom … much >.>
[SPOILER]So yea, this cannibal’s skull isn’t going to drink itself empty of this lemonade … so I guess I better go finish off this lager so I can clean out the skull and place it in the dish washer. Hmm … skulls tend to break the dishes, so maybe I should wash it by itself, or at least place it on its own level (with some of the harder to break plates and so forth). On the other hand, I could just animate said skull with one of the trapped souls I have in the closet, turning it into something akin to the “Morte” fellow in that one cool RPG game called … Planescape Torment I believe. Fun game. Didn’t get to play very much of it, but I could tell that it was pretty fun. At least for the patient, or the impatient that nonetheless knew what they were doing, or more willing to try. As for me, I like to min max things. But alas, I get myself carried away… its not a human skull, but rather a mindworm skull. I saved it from the last game, as I took it off the mindworm’s corpse once the game was over … myess … I was hiding in the lurker thread, and once the game was over I went over to the mindworm’s corpse and stole its skull. Seemed like the right thing to do anyways, I mean … was anyone else going to clean that up? I don’t think so … and besides, who more than I could use a mindworm’s skull as an effective dining glass. Or rather, I would think I would have the most skull-need, being the first in line in the universal soup kitchen of getting strange skulls from, well, at LEAST mindworms of all things. The poor creatures.

Okay yea … its getting WAYYY too late. I doubt I’ll post anything like that in the thread tho … at least any time soon. I do like playing the actual game of course, but the meta-RP crossovers are just, I dunno, equaly fun I think. After all, it was my absence of a proper name that killed me last time. Now I am myself “tasunke” and I get to have the Librarian title. And, well, since everyone’s name/title is in equilibrium, or rather, assigned in a similar fashion, there will be no confusion when it comes to names vs titles. And this is nice, I mean REALLY nice. Hmm, if I type too much more I may end up scaring away the customers … come back! Buy things! No matter, as long as I have my precious, precious mindworm skulls … MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (perhaps I shall light a fire in the skull .. it’ll be my Jack’o’MindwormLantern

Well, it looks like I may dodge the bullet for today. Not really sure I can be of much help for the rest of the day, so I may as well lie low for now. Well, not being lynched on day 1 is a good sign … in my other games I tended to last pretty long survival wise. I even thing, iirc, that the two village wins I was in consisted of me being alive indeed at the very last day.
I still find it hilarious that Bigger was able to win after his reveal (in the Lewwyn hosted game … was it WW13?). I mean … just goes to show how multi-multi wolf pack games can go

I must say, not really sure how to argue against Jkaen’s logic on this one. (as far as 5/20 vs 5/26). I mean, for Day 1, things like this are fine, I guess. The only trick here is that I KNOW that I’m a villager, and that he is obviously wrong … BUT! I don’t think that will help to convince others.
I would rather hope that I don’t have to get into a tricky and dangerous banter with regards to my innocence or guilt. I mean, those things can escalate REALLY fast. Yes, better to let this whole thing blow over, if possible. I think I have 3 or 4 votes at the moment … but no really sure how many votes the other people have. At the last count I think The Stick had … 5 votes? It may have increased by 1 or 2 since then, yet it also may have decreased. Well, if I take the averages of my guesses, thestick still has a bit of a lead on me. Well, if that is the case, I see no reason to do something stupid and put myself as the leading candidate for a lynch. I bit it day 1 last game, and I see no reason to repeat the process. (Still wish that I had pretended to Meiz that I was a mindworm tho … especially after he was so convinced due to my early game antics )

Well, looks like I, and quite a few others, have 2 votes as related to ‘the stick’s 4 votes. Sounds good. I’m in pretty safe waters I think, at least for now. I don’t feel that anything else I can contribute today would bring anything other than distractions, and potentially my own lynch. In other words, NOISE. Yes, I think I’ve said what I needed to say, and unless something else sticks out like a sore thumb, (say, like those posts Sareln did), I think I’ll keep quiet for now.
I think I may stick to primarily basing my reads on voting analysis, as there aren’t that many power roles, or odd settings, to go ‘meta’ on. And while I like any good meta discussion perhaps more than the next guy, I do not feel like it would be the least bit appropriate here, especially since I don’t know any of the roles yet. Obviously once I learn about the various roles, I may be tempted, and yes, likely to participate at length, in any particular meta discussions, but for now I shall think that, even if power roles were to surface … they may not be interesting enough to pursue a meta-analysis. I suppose we shall see.

Some new thoughts … but I don’t really want to talk about it right now, as my main reason for thinking he is scum is because of some words spoken by novice … the very person Uberfish is accusing … ><, so yes, it is rather circular.
Still, these posts I find intriguing (as follows)
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=206
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=208
anyways, this … THIS? Yes this. I think that Uberfish is being fake-angry. I dunno why, just call it a gut feeling. Maybe I don’t think it is in his character under normal circumstances to, well, “escalate” that quickly.
So yea, even though I was brought on to Uberfish’s scumminess by novice, it does, to my mind, seem to be either Uberfish independently faking mad .. OR, now get this, that novice and uberfish are BOTH WOLVES are here is a classic distancing maneuver. Simple, elegant, and too obvious for the tin foil hat brigade (us) to take seriously.
Yes, I am aware that occasionally I am elected head chairman of the tin foil hat brigade … in this, however, I truly feel that I am on to something here. It is the simplicity of it all.
However, I fear that if I bring it up now … well, it will just be a minor suspicion voiced too early, and perhaps I will draw either the ire of the wolves, or merely prove myself an easy target by voicing too many things.
Still, I feel that if I receive some pressure to say something of my thoughts, or hell, if I just feel like it, then perhaps I will say something to the effect of “I believe Novice and Uberfish to BOTH be wolves, and that they are doing a classic distancing maneuver here, here, and here. (206, 207, and 208 … and even earlier when Novice posted some “harmless suspicion” thoughts on Uberfish, those same thoughts that led myself to consider Uberfish as scum.
Still, I am not sure whether to try and lynch novice or Uberfish first. And we still have the Sareln + Qqqq fiasco of just doing stupid things with little to know justification or explanation. Perhaps Sareln is even more scumtelling because he is a vet that knows better (rather than a vet that DOESN’T know better, or perhaps doesn’t care to sound silly, like myself). Yes indeed, I am the type of person that would, well, I dunno, say something if I felt it could create “fun”. For instance, pretending to be a wolf, and indeed shouting that I am a wolf, may well prove quite fun. However, I think also that in this case, in this gAmE rather, I shall have more fun in playing more normal role of an actual player, rather than an actor stuck to a specific role.

Hmm, I really like Selrahc’s post here.
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=230
While hopefully, if ever I rolled wolf, I wouldn’t exactly be all that easy to read … I DO agree that I’ve either become lynched early (only 1 game so far), or have become a ‘mostly’ trusted villager (all the other games).
One thing I would add, however (well two things, I also added the ‘mostly’ trusted part), is that I usually tend to have enough suspicion on me to not get night-killed either.
I mean, I suppose things could always change, but in previous games, even if the surviving villagers didn’t suspect me, the surviving wolves found me just suspicious enough to push for my lynch during the day rather than try a nightkill on me. Not sure exactly how proud I am of that fact, but still, it’s a useful tool to survive. That being said, I’d still be honored to get nightkilled … it would mean that I am improving.

Hmm, I’m rather glad that Uberfish came to my rescue here, at least as far as my dilemma of how to argue against Jkaen’s reasoning.
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=232
Perhaps it is good then that I haven’t posted negatively (sum tells or whatnot) about Uberfish yet.
And, also this is incentive to in fact further delay voicing my suspicions on Uberfish, as (in my opinion) it would be considered rude to accuse Uberfish so suddenly after he has defended me.
Hell, it feels pretty good to be defended by Selrahc and Uberfish like this … kind of like how I was defended by Scooter(?) in my first WW game.

I mean, its nothing exactly personal or anything, I just like that there are objective reason for not voting for me, meaning that the village is still sane

I am fairly confident that Selrahc and Serdoa are villagers, as they seem to be the most rational beings at the moment with the most memory of earlier games. Gaspar is always a wild card (for me), and Lewwyn seems rather standoff-ish. (in a wolf way, or in a “im gonna wait till the late game” sort of way?)
For now I think that Lewwyn is probably village, as I think he would be more interactive/ more excited, if he rolled for the wolf team.
Speaking of which, I think a fun game would be “If the arsonist dies, then Tasunke becomes the arsonist” … but it being a lie. Meaning, I already WAS the arsonist, and therefore could not become the arsonist if someone else died XD … that’d be pretty awesome, because everyone would expect a SUPER easy 2nd arsonist lynch (after the first) … while the best defense for my part, until some *other* arsonist died, would be to say “The arsonist wasn’t killed yet!”
Of course … what would be funny is if, on day 3, someone else *becomes* a second, independent arsonist. Meta question, would I know he existed? Would I know what his name is? Balance things to decide, mostly. But yea, if I KNEW who he was, then I’d want to do everything I could to keep him from getting lynched, because I WOULD KNOW that if another arsonist dies, I would be the next on the lynch block, because everyone would assume that I suddenly “became” the next Arsonist in the cycle.
Enough meta-fun for now :3

Hmmmmmmmm, still think Uberfish is perhaps scum, but his defense of me does seem to indicate that, at least for now, he is playing pro-village. At least to an extent. Maybe the wolves want to lynch me some other day? Not sure what the deal is here … but maybe the wolves merely don’t want me lynched because they now know that I don’t have a power, and so they feel content in looking for other targets (both in nightkills and in mislynches).
Interesting. Even though this may have extended my own survival, I know feel that my claim was highly detrimental to the village. Something to remember for the next game …

Uberfish’s non-explanatory vote has me suspicious all over again … but I don’t think I can attack EVERY person that has defended me on the same day!
Seriously though, Selrahc and Serdoa have defended me AND I think they are very much villager.
On the OTHER HAND, Uberfish and Sareln’s defense of me just feels … “convenient”. I think they are wolves that have decided Mattimeo will die this day.
Hmm, perhaps this means that I should counter-vote them today? As in, if the wolves want Mattimeo dead, then maybe they want The Stick to live?
If that truly is the case, then perhaps I should vote for the stick ^_^
DAMNIT DAMNIT how could I have missed this!? It was SERDOA himself that asked Uberfish to make that vote.
Damn it all … accusing Uberfish of ANYTHING at this point would only weaken my ‘meta-relationship’ with the Serdoa avatar. Or rather, it would LOOK like an attack on SERDOA as well, which is not what I want at all …
Well, with Serdoa locked on Mattimeo, I’m not really sure what to think, other than that the wolves saw Serdoa’s full-fledged willingness to kill Matt, and decided to vote pro-Mattimeo in order to get Serdoa to kill him with them. In this case, the wolves are going to hide behind Serdoa’s false wolf-tells in order to make themselves look more innocent.
This means … if I want to vote the stick in order to counter the wolf plan, I will need to come up with some believable reason to do so …
Can I pull it off? Do I even WANT to? Well, unless I can somehow convince myself that the stick is a wolf, there is no reason to A) vote for him, as HELL, it could just be two innocents on the block, and B) come up with some lame reason.
I mean, it would be one thing if I was sure that thestick was a wolf AND that it was Sareln and Uberfish that were specifically trying to save their wolf buddy. UNFORTUNATELY I don’t have any read on the stick. None what so ever.
Therefore, I shall look at it this way. Sareln and Uberfish have given me REASON to think that thestick may well turn wolf. If its two innocents, no reason to give too much away just to kill one innocent over the other. Best to wait until I’m sure they are trying to save some wolf buddy. It is for this reason that I shall decide to look for signs of wolf within thestick with whatever time may be left remaining before the lynch is completed.

Oh well what the hell … I went ahead and did it. Just blindly voting “the stick”. I mean YES, wolfsuspect Novice was the one that said he wanted to see the stick hang … but I dunno. I guess my gut vs Sareln and Uberfish is a bit stronger than my gut of Novice vs Uberfish.
I mean yes, it’s a combination of Novice and Uberfish’s actions that led me to think them both a tad guilty, but Uber is showing up as a larger scumtell than Novice is ..
And besides, most of all, we all like to see a close race :D
(well, I like for my vote to count anyways, and if I feel like I am fighting against a wolven machination, all the better!)
Damn, I said “there is” rather than “there are” … such a grammar newb

…

Hmm, this Mattimeo guy, huh that “Cloaker” ability seems kinda cool, but I don’t really care. Well, I’m glad that I’m voting for someone that ISN’T him … but since I think he is innocent, at least for me, he didn’t really have to do that reveal.
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=275 hmm, looks like Rowain may want to push for an Uberfish lynch … OR IS HE?
He said Uberfish-BW, no idea what the hell that means, so I made a joke post about BW=Bronzeworking.

Anyways, its 2 hours till the lynch (well 1:30 hours right now) and I’m happy to say that it looks like I (and others) have averted a near travesty in lynching Mattimeo. I mean, I think he could have been saved without his reveal, so that his reveal IS regrettable … but at the same time it certainly (I think) guaranteed him at least a survival through day 1.
And yes, I see where he is coming from ^_^
I mean, heck, I almost revealed as Julius Caesar, my double vote power BUT! Instead I decided to use said power. Ultimately, the village ended up winning anyways, and my silly use of my power landed me in the village chair rather than the cloak of suspicion.
So, perhaps he will use his Cloak on himself tonight. I’m honestly not quite sure. Perhaps he will try to cloak someone like Serdoa or Selrahc, in order to get some village cred.
DAY 1 ENDS
Well Day 1 has ended, and I have been victorious.
Tasunke: 1
Mafiascum: 0
I’d now like to thank Uberfish and Sareln (especially Sareln) for revealing their scumminess for me. Its just too obvious right now. Hopefully this will be an easy game … heh, at least for the first few lynches. assuming all goes well.
Yes, I was (in my mind) right to fight the mechanizations of these two scumdogs. Luckily Serdoa had switched over from Mattimeo in the final hours … although I don’t know if that was before or after Matt’s claim. Still, while I’d like to think this clear’s Serdoa, it really doesn’t. Ah well. It did give me a nice feeling though, that I stemmed the tide of evil, by switching the crowd over (at least in some small way) from Mattimeo to thestick.
Honestly though? I’d have to agree with Brick, in as far as easy money says that Matt’s real savior was his own role claim. I mean, would he have survived today without it? *I* personally think so, but then I would be biased wouldn’t I? Since I think that I caught the wolf-ploy, and switched my vote at the critical time that would allow other people to more easily vote alongside me. Personally I think being the first on the ‘counter wave’ after that long string of mattimeo votes … well I feel like it was my victory but hell, it was an entire village victory, and I’m FINE with that, I swear
Yes yes, I may be a bit too confident at this moment in time, but I like where the town is at right now. It feels really good ***61514;


http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=359
See?
“I was influenced by others in voting for thestick” -> See? I started the chain reaction! I voted at that crucial moment, to allow the rest of the village to wake up and save the day! ***61514;
* Tasunke pats himself on the back. ***61514;
Warm fuzzy feelings all around

(the middle of Night 2)
Hmm, I feel like I should try and possibly pretend that Lewwyn isn’t scum. Or something like that. I’d kind of want him on my side for voting Uberfish or Sareln.
Still, Uberfish’s last post (the one with all the lies) makes me wonder if perhaps I voiced my suspicions too early ***61516;
Here is the Uberfish post in question http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=414
I do not wish to make an enemy of EVERY wolf, at least not yet. This would be too premature. Actually, it makes me think of a variant power role “The Knower” (or better name if possible) -> The Knower can’t claim his role or he gets mod-killed. The Knower “knows” who all the wolves are, but obviously can’t say that he knows due to his power/role. Therefore, it’s a tip-toe game of intrigue between himself and the wolves. The only real strength to this role, imho, would be if the wolves didn’t know that a knower existed. THEN it could be for an interesting game
(otherwise the knower may too easily give himself away … for me at least, that would make it less fun to be the knower. Plus, if people know that a knower exists, I dunno, it would seem way too meta. I mean, since you can’t claim, there would be wild speculation (if anyone knew that a knower existed).)
If there were any serial killers or arsonists in the game, the Knower would know their identities too. Hmm, one way to strengthen the knower, I suppose, is if he knew everyone’s roles and powers. Although personally I think that’d just be stupid.
Therefore here is my proposition for the Knower-> Knows identities of the scum, but not their powers. Knows the identity of SK/Arsonist but not his power.
Sounds like a cool role yea? :D

Alright, I know its premature, but lets try to make a list of scum vs villagers
Potential Scum: Sareln, Uberfish, Catwalk, Lewwyn, Rowain, Novice, Merovech, Pindicator, Gaspar
Potential Villagers: Serdoa, Selrahc, Zakalwe, Bigger, Mattimeo, Tasunke
Clearly not all Potential Scum are, in fact, scum.
Clearly there are more players than I have put into these lists.
Waterbat, Azza, Arromir, … who are they? Village? Scum? I have no idea. It is certainly possible that their silliness is an indication of scumminess, but that would bring the Scumlist at 11 out of 26 people >.>
Crazy no?
In any case, there are probably 6 scum. Possibly 5. One of them was TheStick, so lets assume, for now, that there are 5 left.
I would say Sareln and Uberfish are at the top of that list … which makes 3 left.
Well, I’d say if you have that many good players in a scumlist, they’d want at least ONE or two stealth-scum. For now, lets call that stealth scum Novice. For his classic distancing with Lewwyn, and his lumping himself together with Zakalwe for the early TheStick votes. Novice’s cover is likely the primary reason for TheStick bus, if indeed TheStick was bussed. However, I’d personally like to take the credit for that bit of awesomeness -> See, I was voting on the basis of countering Sareln and Uberfish’s moves, rather than, necessarily, seeing if theStick was innocent. Normally a bad process, yes, but I saw the Mattimeo BW and, well, I decided to re-vamp the TheStick push in order to provide an alternative to, what I saw, as a wolfish push of an innocent.
(yes, I finally figured out what BW means! :D, not Bronzeworking, but BandWagon! :P )
So to finish my analysis, Sareln-Uberfish-Novice plus two others, hmm. It would be quite funny if the two remaining wolves were both Lewwyn and Catwalk, but I am inclined to think that neither of them are actual wolves, even if I believe, at least temporarily, that they *could* be scum.
Therefore hmm. If not Lewwyn or Catwalk … possibly Merovech and Rowain, or any of the lurkers (ie Waterbat, Azza, Arromir).
Therefore, perhaps if I had a gun to my head and had to come up with an instant wolf list, it would probably be
1. Sareln
2. Uberfish
3. Novice
4. Waterbat (just because)
5. Merovech

So yea, Catwalk acting fishy, but he is probably just feeling the heat/ getting ahead of himself/ overthinking things.
I am still, for now, gonna vote Sareln as my day2 opener.
Damn Zak, gonna miss you /me cries
Well damn, one practically confirmed villager is now dead (me no likes)
Wolves 1, Tasunke 1 … damn, tie game. Luckily I only have to get to 6
> Well, lets take a look, hmm, how many points do the wolves need to win exactly?
> Damn, I suck at these type of maths … I mean, the number changes everytime a wolf dies.
> So then … this is why lylo is a temporary term, rather than a constant game-state.
> Therefore, it is easiest to just guess how many mislynches *in a row* they would need to win, at this moment.
> 5 wolves left, so need 5 villagers alive. So 5/21 – 11 players. Which is Day/Night cycles … so 6 days of mislynches. ASSUMING minimum number of wolves. Damn … I mean sure, if I make more points, they will need a higher score, but still, right now all they need is a 6 as well
Novice is acting AWFULLY VILLAGERY … yet I am still convinced he is lurker wolf. ESPECIALLY if uberfish flips Mafiascum.

Gah, of COURSE novice would disagree with my cases. He is LURKER WOLF! Trying to use his cat-herding abilities to discredit my (CORRECT) cases … blergablergablerg ..
And now … NOW everyone is voting Novice for mayor!

OOPS! Forgot to vote Sareln … fixed.

Hmm, perhaps I was too hasty in “voting” for Selrahc in terms of pro-villagerishness.
Certainly I would consider, at this point, Jkaen to the be the most likely villager, with Serdoa as a close second.
Not really sure why people are believing novice so easily … bleh. Whatever.
Still perhaps my village read on Selrahc was due to his, as Jkaen puts it, his “more than reasonable” defense of myself/Tasunke early on in Day 2. I mean, both Selrahc and Serdoa did this, and at first I thought this means they are both village because they are avoiding a mislynch … but yea, I can see how it could have been more along the lines of (lets get Tasunke on our side with at least one of the wolves).
Well, hell … I suppose for now I can at least PRETEND that I still believe Selrahc to be village. I mean, I’ve pissed off just about every wolf in the game thus far, well including Novice, so it’d be high time to make some temporary “Wallies” don’t ya think? Anyways, *I* personally think Wallies can be important in getting them to help you lynch their team mates cause they think that they are gaining deep cover.
Sareln is such a fucking scum … of the two last minute voters (Pindicator and Merovech), I’m pretty sure Merovech is more scumtelling. Yet Sareln wants us to lynch the villager of the pair … WOOT. :P
I will say … he DOES make a compelling argument in the fact that Pindicator was a FUCKING DUMBASS for voting merovech, who had NO VOTES on him, at 10 minutes on the clock. I mean hell, I’d agree with Sareln that you’d only do that if you also thought TheSTick was wolf (and well he did, his vote was on him), and ultimately all that does is get Bigger closer to tne noose :/
So hell, yea Pindicator and Merovech could have both been wolves.
One thing though … Sareln *knows* he will die today. Hmm …. And he will flip Mafia, I just know it. KNOW IT. Alright then, lets think. Perhaps Sareln’s focus here …. Obviously he isn’t in any position to bus any wolves, and due to his vote-presence day 1, its not likely the wolves can use him much more anyways (unless some miracle were to occur).
Therefore, its quite well possible that Sareln is doing any accusations here in the purpose of stirring up mud, and potentially giving cover to other wolves. Therefore, while taken with a grain of salt, some of his arguments may be interesting to read from a meta-point of view.

Hmm, if I switch to Selrahc now it’ll be 5/5. Still, who knows what last minute voters are just waiting around the corner. Due to Sareln’s posts, even if he IS obvwolf … he is likely to not swing today. However, even if I want a Wally, I don’t think I can get one from Selrahc if he is going to be the one swinging today. Therefore, there is simply no point in defending him. Also, I’d be curious to see if he is, indeed, 100% wolf.


LOL, looks like even Pindicator might be able to swing today … but I just don’t feel confident at ALL with a Pindicator lynch at this time. Especially since its Sareln that is bringing it forth. Tin foil hat = Jkaen is wolf, so it’s much more likely that Jkaen is scumhunting on Injera right now. In other news, Ichabod is looking quite lynchable today …
Gah, hate these split votes. Still, having a split vote, even if it means the wolves can control it, may lead to more information on day 3. Sigh …
Also, PROPS to whomever said “If Tasunke posted a youtube video of him saying ‘I’m a big bad wolf boo hoo hoo’ I wouldn’t even blink an eye” … cause that’s almost exactly what I was planning to do on Day 1 (mainly cause I got lynched last Day 1, I guess)
OH MY FUCKING ….. GAH!!!!!!
NOVICE IS SUPPORTING SARELN FOR MAYOR! OH HELL PEOPLE DON’T BELIEVE THAT SHIT! Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
Wolf Roster:
Sareln, Novice, Catwalk, TheStick, Gaspar, Ichabod, (Uberfish?)

Grrrrrr (this is what I’m thinking at the moment)
Okay this is interesting
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=781
Here Serdoa is blaming others for coming to people’s rescue, meanwhile he came to MY rescue several times this game. Perhaps he was interrupted in scumhunting by a bystander? Not exactly a scumtell, but an interesting Hypocrisy. For now, I’m thinking he was just scumhunting and got frustrated by others getting in the way. For the record, I will note that it was Jkaen getting in the way of Serdoa scumhunting Lewwyn. Honestly though, I don’t think any of them are wolves at this point (Lewwyn maybe, but unlikely).

Hmm. If Sareln DOESN’T flip wolf, I may have to step back and reassess (well, if he DOES flip wolf, which I am 90% sure of, then I think I can support Uberfish and Novice as being wolves … but if he doesn’t? Then perhaps I should look at Jkaen with some suspicion, and Uberfish with less suspicion)

!!!!- I wonder if Jkaen is wolf? This over-reliance on posts … a discrediting of my theory based on “well obv u think all these guys are interconnected wolves” … the following mention of Mardoc’s fears … the successive posts of the pic (of Mardoc’s fears). Jkaen saying that he can’t see it somehow, which warrants a whole lot more pictures. Then Mardoc’s use of a picture for his Selrahc vote. !!!!
I wonder …
Jkaen, Lewwyn, Uberfish, Sareln, TheStick, …. Injera??
Not sure, but starting from a Lewwyn, Jkaen model might only work if Sareln flips villager … or not. Anyways, I think it is best to start with Sareln first. Pindicator might be worth looking into later though, but its probably just a wolf misdirect. We will see, I suppose.
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Damn damn damn … made too much of a fuss over the post count thing. May get lynched for that. Like my fuss over my name. That kinda off topic stuff just doesn’t belong in WW
Although, tbh, I had *thought* that the name thing was on-topic.
Anyways, it was just plain stupidity on my part. And the hardest thing is that I can’t remove or edit those silly little posts. Really don’t want to spam the werewolf thread … and anything I ADD would only make things worse. And its against the rules to REMOVE stuff …
Well, I guess that is the nature of the game. After all, the idea is that a wolf will slip up somewhere, and if u could edit ur stuff, wolves would simply edit their older posts. Seems like live WW games are a lot more dynamic. Wonder if I should try organizing a second one … How would it work tho?
Hmm, should I stay buddies with Wolf-Jkaen? Why do I even feel he is a wolf, after all, other than gut feeling? Why is he starting to act wolfish after I started thinking of him as confirmed villager?
He seems to be defending Pindicator, which is *technically* what I was doing, but I was doing it more on the grounds of MUST GET SARELN NAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOO
So yea …
Wolf-Jkaen seems to make Pindicator more fishy too … so after all that MAYBE PIN won’t be such a bad vote. But I don’t think I’ll know ANYTHING unless Sareln swings today. Or, at the least, I’ll be VERYBAD disappoint.
I mean, if Sareln swings, and is wolf, I get a point (Tasunke2, wolves 1)
Yet, if Pind swings and is a wolf, Sareln gets a point (Tasunke 1, Sareln 1, wolves 1).
Now, a sareln point, while helping the village … is it for deep cover? Would they, in this case, honestly be bussing Pindicator? And if such is the case, I DEFINITELY shouldn’t be defending Pin. Still though,
---A LONG ASS TIME passes----

ALRIGHT, so that was fun (not) … so here we are, a third of the way through day 3. Or in other words, day 3.33333 repeating
Fun out of the way, let us do a short recap of where I was at while on other computers, shall we?
#1. Skin-crawl novice effect. For some reason I felt novice was wolf, (or at least devious, guess he could be a devious villager? If so, I don’t care, villagers are allies)
#2. “It got better” -> really more #1 part B, but somewhere down the line, I started to see novice as villager again. I think this was much more recently than not, but certainly started somewhere after the end of day 2. Didn’t happen immediately of course, as I was still rather stubborn. Or rather, the remnants of suspicion tended to linger, and I would rather have said what I did at the time, than risk completely ‘clearing’ him.
#3. Horribad roles Serdoa and Bigger BOTH get killed. Both I felt were pretty strongly village. Maybe this is why they were killed? I mean, I know I was beginning to suspect Serdoa a bit but … well, I think the loss of them both definitely hurts the village more than not.
#4. Jkaen … oh how the tides have turned. At some point MUCH SOONER than novice started leaning village … AKA half way through Day2 rather than half way through Night2, I began to see Jkaen as possible wolf.
#5. Waterbat, Azza, Catwalk, Twinkletoes = possibilities of Scum or just lawful stupid. (get it?)
Anyways, I can’t say that there styles are necessarily all that different from mine, but regardless they just come across as a bit dumb. I don’t know. I know I’m dumb too, so who cares, but yea. I’d like to think that they are all wolves, and just having a fun go at this little game here. However, there are some more likely candidates in
#6. Rowain and Ichabod. Who the hell knows, amirite? But some say they are scum, and their defense doesn’t ring nearly as true as Sareln’s did (even if I did ignore it the first time around … >.>)
Not saying they are obviously scum or anything, but hell, good a lynch as any, I suppose.

Possible wolf list? Ichabod, Rowain, Jkaen, Azza, Twinkletoes.

LOL! Is it a coincidence that Meiz and Novice are collaborating so much, being the two targeted by post restrictions?
Honestly? What it Probably is, is a since of comraderie due to being victimized in the same way. Stil, makes u think it could be comraderie from both being wolves. This would be a very “in your face” play, and would be Gaspar’s DEFINITION of a “Cute play”. Also notice the distancing between Twinkletoes and Novice on day 3. I mean OBVIOUSLY they are both a bit stubborn, especially twinkletoes, and this is likely just two villagers bumping heads … but what if it weren’t? If novice wins as wolf this game, he can go back and see that I saw what he was up to … at least theoretically.
Yes, I can’t help it. Somehow novicetheories just come out my ass without thinking. Not sure how, but whatever. Anyways, still think TT might be wolf, but hard to say really.
Also, speaking of Rowain and Ichabod, like what the hell man … both are on the Pindicator lynch. Its like Sareln + Uberfish all over again. Honestly I’m starting to not like this ‘player pairing’ thing. I mean hell, wouldn’t it be ironic if UBERFISH was actually a wolf? And that I just dismissed him due to false connections between the two, and thus made a false guarantee of innocence?
Regardless, Bigger’s innocence leans heavily towards Mattimeo’s innocence imho.

Mattimeo turns wolf.
I think Injera is, in some way, lying about his role.
Dogpile on Gaspar looks fishy. Moreso due to novice’s contribution than Lewwyn’s.
I could see a lynch on either Injera or novice at the moment.
Tomorrow, novice will die due to my lynching of him. I’m just gonna call it out now. I mean, he has lived far too long for a villagerish vet ESPECIALLY considering the amount of suspicion that Uberfish and Serdoa had when they got killed. I dunno, maybe I overestimated the scumminess of those two at the time of their death … but I’m still surprised that Uberfish, at least, was killed.
And then we have Qqqqq. Why was he killed? Probably because he followed Injera. Probably because Injera was a wolf. Yep … I’m thinking that was it
Well maybe Injera isn’t a wolf. I mean, assuming we don’t have any OTHER investigative roles, it is at least possible that Injera is village. After all, as Ichabod says, why have a cloaker if only 1 village investigator (tracker)???
The answer is, perhaps, who knows?
Still, this makes me think Injera might be innocent. On the OTHER hand, if he IS innocent, perhaps expressing suspicion of him will keep him alive. ^_^
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Alright, it looks like there are less obvious errors with this particular word document (as far as the odd number things) so hopefully that won't happen once I hit submit.


Anyways, that out of the way, I haven't had much time to contribute recently to the journal, therefore I think I'll post a "semi" FINAL ANALYSIS

first of those voting for me ...

Selrahc(lurker wolf), novice(deep-cover wolf), Lewwyn(...villager???), Azza(???)

Now for those I think may be wolf

novice(deep-cover wolf), jkaen(semi-cover wolf), meiz(post restriction faker?), Selrach/Molach/Azza (the lurker wolf among us ... one of these three)