waterbat Wrote:I like what Meiz did with his case on me.That's a weird stance
Well, yesterday was quite intense and I feel if there was any saving attempts for wolves, it would have to be on Azza. Difference between Selrahc and Azza? Selrahc's play put him in great risk (he seemed more interested in chasing his suspects than saving his own neck), while Azza kept his vote on me the whole time. Who could have blamed Selrahc on voting me or Tas to save himself? Would have been an easy vote for a wolf.
To me it was obvious that Ichabod wanted to push Tasunke train to get votes distributed and me hanged. It wouldn't matter if me or Tas died, but it did put Azza out of harms way. So my view for Ichabod depends a lot on Azza's alignment. If Azza is innocent as well, the vote swappings in the end were unnecessary for wolves. Reference to Lewwyn's analysis, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=2995
I agree with Lewwyn that Ichabod's arguments are not fairly made and seem to be colored heavily by his impression. "Meiz has only followed novice as far as I remember", "Is only giving villager tells" etc. Same thing with his case against Lewwyn, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=3016
I'm really unsure if it's because of his laid back attitude ("I don't care, playing my way" - mode), or if the idea is to force impressions to build his cases.
I know there's rarely evidence from wolves (mostly the votings when wolf is in danger) so lack of actions is good accusation. But I don't think his accusations are fairly judged so far. Basically agree with this and I've felt the same:
Lewwyn Wrote:See again. You keep doing this Ichabod. You keep saying I haven't done things when I have, and that I have done things that I haven't. I can't tell if it's you misunterstanding or misremembering or being a lazy wolf. Problem for me is you've been doing this twisting thing since Day 2. You did it then and then when I came back to you on Day 5 you did it again. Now you're doing it here. I understand this game is huge and things can get (we've topped 3k posts in this thread now) but I keep feeling like you're twisting arguments to suit your needs.
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Lewwyn, what exactly makes you think waterbat is obviosu villager? Some concrete examples?
novice Wrote:But he didn't really post it in a setting asking for village cred - he didn't go "guys, let's not lynch Tasunke, he's clearly innocent". He just referred to it in passing while explaining his suspects, saying he had considered voting Tasunke until he read that post. I think if a wolf is going to point out that town tell on Tasunke he'll do it a bit louder and more noticeable.Here's the post, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=2550
Tasunke was not being lynched. Wolves will defend villagers, I'm not sure if they need to make a big number out of it, especially if the player isn't in danger. The idea might simply be to get on the good side of that villager.
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Interestingly waterbat votes Azza and vice versa. I didn't like Azza's case against me. "bad voting record" (how can he know that with Pind's and Jkaen's alignments still unknown) + post restriction, especially if wolves plan is to use pr's for mislynches. So partly suspicious of Ichabod for the same reason now. I also agree that Azza's reasons for suspecting waterbat (reveal power roles) seems forced accusation, same as I felt on his vote against me. My reviewing of waterbat made me see that I can't give him the village lean for Mattimeo's lynch. It's not evidence that he is a wolf because of those votes only. Seeing as they now attack each other, I'm more confident in Azza's guilt.