Quote:On Mattimeo - pushing him to reveal targets could quite easily be seen as a mafia play (to know how many charges used, who would be riskier targets etc) so to say that that helps your cause for innocence is not really that useful.Not following this at all, sorry. How would it be a mafia play to push another mafia with a known power role to reveal which targets he's protecting?
Quote:Also, can you point out where he said that he would have had a harder time lying if he had to reveal his targets? That sounds like something that would only be said after being lynched or away from the main thread - could it have been in the mafia thread perhaps?He didn't say that, and I didn't say or imply that he did. I said that it turned out that having to reveal his targets would have made it harder for him to lie. I think the whole exchange with Injera showed exactly that. Do you disagree with that?
Quote:On thestick - the suspicion sticks because you acted pretty suspiciously. If you are innocent, you didn't know that 2 mafia were on him at the time nor that he himself were mafia so you can't use that as an excuse as it is all in hindsight rather than your judgement at the time. The only way you would know that at the time is if you were a mafia member yourself. You were by far the most vocal pusher of the Bigger bandwagon, and though you had a very short dalliance with calling out a sleeping Mattimeo, when the chips were down and things were getting tight you swapped back on to Bigger to try and save thestickI'm also not following here. I was arguing that as a mafia play, it would be suicidal to defend thestick after the mafia had already decided to bus him. What would be gained from it? I was innocent, and I had no idea who was on him. Are you saying it's unreasonable to argue that it's highly unlikely a wolf would go down this easily on day 1? Also, do you find it likely that I'd pick another wolf for the lynch in order to save thestick? There was real pressure on Mattimeo, enough that it made him claim. This claim was later instrumental in hanging him. I'm not complaining, I'm telling you how I see it.
Its one of the most damningly visible suspicious acts in this game so to complain about getting heat for it is a bit weak really.
Quote:Also, in general your play really has struck me as different all the way through. Something is always nagging me in the back of my mind. You were much more emphatic and willing to hunt than I ever remember you being before yet it felt to me like your reasoning was never really that strong and I cannot forget your time when you basically said you were following novice.I had a strong hunch on Azza and I pursued it. The responses to that pursuit (by him and by others) sounded highly suspicious to me, so I stuck with it. I stand by that play. As for the rest, I know I've acted weird. Being super busy was related to personal matters which got resolved. I don't expect you to believe that nor does it clear me, but it's the reason why I posted that at the time. Being inactive for the past 2 days is partly because of the forum switch and partly because I'm getting lost again. I will keep trying to change your mind.
Then this 'going quiet' feels wrong too. Before the forum switch you had said a few game days previously that you would be super busy and not able to respond much - which I believe was when you were under most attack. But until the switch over your play didn't really change much and that struck me as odd. Only now do you start coming out to try and fight again but its not the same and it feels like you would have just tried to sail to the end if you weren't personally under attack.
That's my feeling on you right now, feel free to try and change my mind
waterbat, it looks to me like he's trying to hang me. novice backing my innocence was a big road block for that, so he tried to see if he could poke it or not.