WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[pindicator]

@Meiz

Agree with your points on Catwalk. And you looking to clear Catwalk when you know I was proposing you & Catwalk as a my fallback suspects makes me feel really good about you being village. That's why I'm feeling good - you have a lot of good village moments. Both days when you were on the block you were still hunting scum, instead of trying to preserve yourself. Your arguments have looked village to me. And you were right there with novice & i when we jumped on Lewwyn. So I'm feeling good that you are village, and I hope I can convince you why I think jkaen is scum:

First of all, I don't know if I can agree with the meta argument clearing jkaen because Selrahc argued against that argument himself, and we know he was village:

Here's Lewwyn first putting forward the meta argument:
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid300575

And Selrahc responds the very next post:

Here is what I don't like about the meta argument exculpating me:

I wasn't holding the game to ransom, until I was the last player to arrive. I think it would be perfectly fine for the wolves to game the meta in that way. The game can't really continue until all the villagers have turned up, so make it so that one of the wolves turns up in the last wave. Calibrate it off the villager arrivals.

I don't think it would be a nasty or underhanded thing for the wolves to do. They would in fact be protecting the game from meta arguments. Anybody who has taken me off their suspect list for that reason, bear in mind that I think this. I'd like to not be a suspect for rather less shaky meta reasons.

So in my mind, I haven't even looked at the meta, especially since one of the villagers it was cleared was arguing that we should not look at the meta for reasons that the wolves could game it.

Now you do make a good point about jkaen questioning mattimeo about his role. So I need to look at that.

But this is my big scum mark against jkaen:

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid294983

This is day 4 when jkaen starts thinking that maybe there are 2 wolves on the block. But he never votes mattimeo! Instead he uses this "insight" to attack the people that were on the mattimeo bandwagon.