WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Jkaen]

I also said earlier I think waterbat is trying to bus jkaen to gain credit, and throwing dirt on catwalk to try to get a mislynch tomorrow. I haven't seen good arguments out of him at all, just desperate ones.

wow... just.... wow.

I think we've reached the critical point here village.

@all: I actually was doing an open examination of those catwalk posts for the explicit purpose of trying to answer the following question:

If catwalk and TT89 are indeed innocent as we collectively decided, how can all the Lewwyn voters also be innocent?

I didn't buy my own argument - even posting afterwards to say still favored jkaen and Meiz.

Cyan is terrible with this background. unvote

I no longer buy pindicator's too-convenient timing. He's now decided to stand up and lead us to victory now that novice is dead? I strongly believe he has betrayed himself and is indeed one of the final scum. In wolf's shoes, I would gladly trade in 1 of my last 3 members (lewwyn) for 2 more mislynches and the win. Who is pushing a 2-person lynch wagon? Pindicator.

I think I've spotted a big weakness in my game that was exploited by both Lewwyn and Pindicator this game. If someone defends me, I automatically start leaning innocent on them. The more Lewwyn defended, the more i was on his side. Same with pindicator - I was on the fence even when he was making scummy posts - mainly because he kept throwing in defenses of me.

I've re-read through all of pindi's posts.

i find the 1-line invocations of Lewwyn to be odd.

Lewwyn, it's time to wake up. Figuratively, not literally

Do what you do lewwyn. That is all I meant. You've sniffed out wolves in the last few games, after all.

Lewwyn, dammit. You stole my thunder. I started putting day 3 posts into my spreadsheet and on the very first one of the day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catwalk
Ouch, bad break for the village. GG Bigger and Serdoa.
Sometimes you see a post and you wonder "how the hell did I miss that the first time?"

Catwalk

I quoted this one as an example of how hard pindicator was pushing catwalk early on.

Pindicator was the scum on Tasunke day 6.
After it looked very likely I would hang on Day 8, he made sure to join the Azza wagon - putting 2 villagers up for the block, but not getting his hands dirty as I was sure to hang. Novice rescued me at the 11th hour and i think his (novice's) regrets caused him to suspect me after that.



Lewwyn's responses to pindicator early:

I don't think I've stated my opinion on your innocence yet, but I actually haven't made up my mind.

-I mentioned earlier that I'm not getting a good enough read on Pindicator either way. As I stated earlier, I'm not willing to base it on whether I think one action is more scummy than another. I'm willing to wait, or at least in case I'm dead, willing to have the village give him a few more days to prove his innocence before making a final judgement

Interesting to me too. I'm willing to start on Pindicator and see where that shakes out.

Today is weird. I think watching who votes for who will be a good indication of who's more suspicious of less suspicious.

I will stay on Pindi for now, but I'm going to be around... probably will be drinking a bit tonight (Friday/Holiday/Just got paid) but I will make a final post/decision before I pass out.

but just 4-posts later, votes for Tasunke.

Pindi is honestly still a mystery to me. I just can't get a full read. Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough. The issue for me is that I don't have anything to hold onto with him. I can't remember a post by him that made me stop and think about what he said except for one post he made back on Day 2 where he stated that the entire reason for hanging him seemed to be based on a vote switch of which could be read as either a villager or a wolf... Let me see if I can find it.

again non-committal on pindicator - when have we seen Lewwyn so non-opinionated?

Bullshit. Have to go to bed but I'm answering this when I have a chance tomorrow.

and his eventual back and forth with pindicator - but neither of them are really in danger at this point. Its right in the middle of Me and Azza going up for death.

I'm kind of surprised we didnt see more of Lewwyn calling out his teamates in this game. I'm thinking back to my last game as wolf with Brick in the QT with me. he couldnt stand that each post I made went deeper into crazyland. so he called me out in the main thread for it. Lewwyn didnt go after Matt or Molach much at all though.

Yes, its safer to follow my survival instinct and ride out the jkaen lynch train as it is the only current alternative to my death, but im advocating that we put down pindicator as the most dangerous threat to the village today.

remember if jkaen goes and flips wolf, i was early on him -- oh wait - i was bussing him - yeah.

I actually may be around tomorrow around lynch time as its a Saturday.

As much as I don't like Pind's play I think it is a bit uneccesary to bus Lewwyn yesterday, they could easily have gotten another mislynch I would think