WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[pindicator]

Honestly, how likely do you think this game had 5 wolves vs 21 villagers? With 2 different villager trackers and Ichabod's baner in play? I really don't like the way these 1-wolf theories start to pop up now, when we'd be in lynch or lose situation today with 2 wolves.

Less likely, but it's still a possibility. Another thought to killing TT - if wolves killed you, me, or gaspar then they would automatically narrow the field for the one of us that wasn't scum. Assuming one of us is scum. TT was the only one yesterday that had zero heat on him.

Pind starts off with a vote on wb, but now suddenly sees him as villager and votes me with IMO flimsy reasoning. Ended up voting Jkaen yesterday after going back and forth with the two. Also on Azza vs Waterbat day 8, starts off with suspicion on waterbat, but ultimately ends up on Azza. Same pattern seems to happen again today. General feeling is that he seems to suspect waterbat always when wb is near the block, but ends up voting alternative candidates. Same turned other way around, waterbat is on the block and makes a case on pindicator. He survives the day and has completely turned his cloak on Pind.

Day 8 I believed Lewwyn's defense of waterbat. Once lewwyn flipped scum, I was digging up incriminating quotes alongside novice. And I was starting to believe Lewwyn was village. It wasn't until the reassessment post-forum-debacle that I put Lewwyn on my scum list, more because other people floated village. And the night 9 interaction with him was a tell to my eyes, and thankfully one I was right on.

As for waterbat vs. jkaen, I said yesterday I suspected them both as a pair. I did agree with gaspar that jkaen was the better lynch due to inactivity, because if we were wrong then it was safer for the village. Really would like to hear Gaspar's take on what a good process is for today with similar reasoning, as I asked him earlier.

And you're going to say it's flimsy reasoning to suspect that you're just hanging back and watching which way the tides go? I've had to call you and Gaspar both out on that today. You told me votes matter when you attacked me a few days back, but you not voting shouldn't raise eyebrows? That's a double standard.

Gaspar&waterbat. I could see this working as well. If two wolves left, it could be good tactic to just go against each other and get the win next day. Who could imagine two wolves killing off each other at this point. So Catwalk would get night killed and me&pind would go against each other next day. This theory would probably be the most risky, so maybe not...

This is exactly what Novice & Molach were doing in WW14, so yes - I agree that this is a possibility. I also have Gaspar & Waterbat as one of my possible scum pairs. Earlier I said I was suspecting Lewwyn + Meiz + Jkaen or Gaspar, but I couldn't see both as a pair. I've later brought back waterbat onto my suspect list, because I didn't want to lose just because I didn't want to be wrong for defending him on Night 8.

Or Pind & Gaspar. Waterbat has voted Gaspar and Pind has expressed suspicion on Gaspar now and earlier as well. Yet he votes me because I haven't voted today yet, voted TT&Catwalk as mayor, didn't react to Jkaen's no-response? If that would be the case, I can easily see them pushing me and waterbat on top, and basically force us to vote each other for the wolf win (they could count on that).

Yes, I wanted you to vote today. Again, you not voting and sitting back looked suspicious. You outline Gaspar in both of your wolf pairs, and yet you do not vote him; so the only reason to vote me today is therefore if you think I'm a solo wolf. Otherwise you have to think I'm scummier than waterbat and sure of a Gaspar/Pindicator pair. After how you've been on waterbat since day 8, I have a hard time seeing why you don't want to vote for him now that there isn't a clear 2nd option.