WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Meiz]

Here's some more reasons why I find you suspicious, Pind.

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid299432

Actually, you may have to go a little before that to get Lewwyn's post that I'm responding to. But he attacks me plenty without voting, and I'm calling him out on it. Here it is: http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid299370 It's the post that is getting quoted today as a tie between Lewwyn and I. Well, I attacked Lewwyn for making that exact post.

2273 - votes pindicator

And later changes it to Gaspar and Azza.
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid296297
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid296328
(with you following on Gaspar)

2403 - http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid296586
responding to attacks on him
puts his wolf list as: pindicator, azza, gaspar
votes pindicator
says he will look into tasunke
2410 - says azza & pindicator are in "cahoots"
2727 - asks tasunke why the post restrictor has to be novice, meiz or pindicator

The time he switches back to you, votes are:

Lewwyn - 4 - Gaspar, Ichabod, Waterbat, Azza
Pindicator - 3 - Injera, Jkaen, Meiz
Azza - 2 - Catwalk, Lewwyn
Injera - 1 - tasunke
tasunke - 1 - Selrahc
Catwalk - 1 - Pindicator
Gaspar - 1 - novice
Selrahc - 1 - Molach
Twinkletoes89 - 1 - Twinkletoes89

This happens after he's voted you:
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid296620
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid296631
(Lewwyn switching from you to Tasunke).

3375 - http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid300061
rehashes his suspects
village: novice, TT, waterbat, meiz
top wolf: ichabod, selrahc, pindicator
2nd tier: gaspar, jkaen

But he also states this:
"Technically Pindi is in my 3rd wolf slot, but that's pretty malleable with Gaspar and Jkaen."
We know the top wolf list consists two villagers that come before you, and he says the second tier could replace his third wolf suspect.

Now if his idea was to bus me for cred, why didn't he vote me before Day 5? I think he was trying to keep suspicion on me, like Gaspar said, to be a patsy in the end-game.

You have received a lot of heat from day 2 forward. I think it makes sense to start to distance yourself from a wolf partner that probably wold not make it end game (here you are, but couldn't be known then). The main point is, he never ends up voting for you but gets villagers mislynched instead. After pushing Lewwyn yesterday, you'd be pretty much confirmed villager in theory. I think it would be excellent way to play this as a wolf.

And the night 9 interaction with him was a tell to my eyes, and thankfully one I was right on.

I missed what was so incriminating on his night interraction, to me your confirmation of his wolfness came out of nowhere. What was it?

As for waterbat vs. jkaen, I said yesterday I suspected them both as a pair. I did agree with gaspar that jkaen was the better lynch due to inactivity, because if we were wrong then it was safer for the village.

What I meant was you today, post http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid303045
Your tone changes drastically on waterbat and I still fail to see why the reasons you stated pushed me over him.

And you're going to say it's flimsy reasoning to suspect that you're just hanging back and watching which way the tides go? I've had to call you and Gaspar both out on that today. You told me votes matter when you attacked me a few days back, but you not voting shouldn't raise eyebrows? That's a double standard.

I'm still unsure if you realize how different time zones we have. When the day starts, it's middle of the night for me. It's only after work that I have the possibility to start to dig through the thread for clues.

Yes, I wanted you to vote today. Again, you not voting and sitting back looked suspicious. You outline Gaspar in both of your wolf pairs, and yet you do not vote him; so the only reason to vote me today is therefore if you think I'm a solo wolf. Otherwise you have to think I'm scummier than waterbat and sure of a Gaspar/Pindicator pair. After how you've been on waterbat since day 8, I have a hard time seeing why you don't want to vote for him now that there isn't a clear 2nd option.

You were the possible wolf pair for the theories I thought most likely at the time. Gaspar&you, waterbat&you. There were 3 combinations.

Meiz, I like your findings but I'm puzzled why they lead to your conclusion that pindicator is wolf. In spite of my paranoid misgivings above, I still consider him most likely to be villager. If he's alive tomorrow I think he should be scrutinized heavily, but I can't see him as the best candidate today. I'm also suspicious of Gaspar and waterbat as a pair, I agree that them attacking each other now is a sensible wolf ploy.

There might not be tomorrow if we get it wrong today. So I'm going to dig out every possibility.