Well, isn't this immensely cozy! Just the four of us, and one of us is a dirty liar.
Ok? Then maybe you could help me out by explaining why you think I'm suspicious. I presume "he's too happy" is just a joke and not the actual reason. I've tried talking to you on a couple of occasions in this game but for some reason you just ignore me. On day 1, you said I "wasn't helping" with my vote on Mattimeo, and I asked you to clarify that, but you ignored me. Then, on night 2, you yourself said you had been "too quick" to clear Mattimeo, but you still persisted in holding my early Mattimeo vote against me, for some unspecified reason.
This isn't day 1, and there's only one scum left, so a pressure vote makes no sense, as there won't be any interaction tells. There likely won't be any future days where we can look back on this day, anyway. So if you really think I'm scum, you should tell me why, so I can defend myself.
In fact, your whole post looks a lot like you're just positioning yourself for staying on me for the first half of the day, and then switching to Gaspar towards the end. You just establish that you still suspect me, for unspecified reasons, while hinting that you could be persuaded to join me on Gaspar if I redouble my efforts. You also ask Mattimeo for his position, even though Mattimeo isn't a stated suspect of yours.
Also, I'm pretty sure Mattimeo both realized and acknowledged that you started the wagon on Bigger. That doesn't mean you were hoping it would go through on day 2. You knew that I was gunning hard for Gaspar at the time. Besides, the idea of busing your scumbuddy on day 2 or 3 is hardly a new one in 9-player games, as you should be well aware from the recent game that we won together. I still think it's more likely that Gaspar was the one who bused his buddy, because he really had no alternative, but that doesn't mean you're clear.
Ok, it's an awful argument, as you're at least partly acknowledging, and I really think you should retract it completely. If not, I'm going to dig up all instances of you making a ridiculous fake vote seconds "too late" for the deadline as scum, which I'm sure happened at least twice. More importantly though, why did you assume that the kill order was revoked at the last minute? Why couldn't it be a no kill order all along, as Lewwyn says, and why couldn't the scum have targeted Uberfish after all, like PB and Uberfish speculated? You arbitrarily picked one fairly unlikely explanation for what happened, then added a terrible meta accusation on top of that, and listed it as your second most significant factor against me. So that really looks like you first decided I should be your suspect, and then looked for reasons to suspect me, rather than actually trying to understand the lack of a kill, and arriving at me as the likely explanation.
(May 5th, 2013, 05:30)Lewwyn Wrote: Zak you're doing a terrible job convincing me I shouldn't vote for you.
Ok? Then maybe you could help me out by explaining why you think I'm suspicious. I presume "he's too happy" is just a joke and not the actual reason. I've tried talking to you on a couple of occasions in this game but for some reason you just ignore me. On day 1, you said I "wasn't helping" with my vote on Mattimeo, and I asked you to clarify that, but you ignored me. Then, on night 2, you yourself said you had been "too quick" to clear Mattimeo, but you still persisted in holding my early Mattimeo vote against me, for some unspecified reason.
This isn't day 1, and there's only one scum left, so a pressure vote makes no sense, as there won't be any interaction tells. There likely won't be any future days where we can look back on this day, anyway. So if you really think I'm scum, you should tell me why, so I can defend myself.
In fact, your whole post looks a lot like you're just positioning yourself for staying on me for the first half of the day, and then switching to Gaspar towards the end. You just establish that you still suspect me, for unspecified reasons, while hinting that you could be persuaded to join me on Gaspar if I redouble my efforts. You also ask Mattimeo for his position, even though Mattimeo isn't a stated suspect of yours.
Also, I'm pretty sure Mattimeo both realized and acknowledged that you started the wagon on Bigger. That doesn't mean you were hoping it would go through on day 2. You knew that I was gunning hard for Gaspar at the time. Besides, the idea of busing your scumbuddy on day 2 or 3 is hardly a new one in 9-player games, as you should be well aware from the recent game that we won together. I still think it's more likely that Gaspar was the one who bused his buddy, because he really had no alternative, but that doesn't mean you're clear.
(May 5th, 2013, 05:22)Gaspar Wrote: Essentially, yes. Given what we know of where each player lives as well as each player's propensity for quick thinking, you're the most likely candidate. I'm hesitant to use that as too big of a tell, though, since 1. it's a little too meta for my tastes and 2. we don't actually know that the scum revoked a kill order even if it is the most likely answer.
Ok, it's an awful argument, as you're at least partly acknowledging, and I really think you should retract it completely. If not, I'm going to dig up all instances of you making a ridiculous fake vote seconds "too late" for the deadline as scum, which I'm sure happened at least twice. More importantly though, why did you assume that the kill order was revoked at the last minute? Why couldn't it be a no kill order all along, as Lewwyn says, and why couldn't the scum have targeted Uberfish after all, like PB and Uberfish speculated? You arbitrarily picked one fairly unlikely explanation for what happened, then added a terrible meta accusation on top of that, and listed it as your second most significant factor against me. So that really looks like you first decided I should be your suspect, and then looked for reasons to suspect me, rather than actually trying to understand the lack of a kill, and arriving at me as the likely explanation.
If you know what I mean.