Chat with Apolyton. For some reason his keyboard is turning apostrophes into 1s, kind of odd since on my keyboard, those are on the complete opposite side. Also, bolded emphasis is added by me as usual. Here it is:
Summary:
1) They claim CFC is not really recruiting them, and/or they aren't really interested in joining. He backs this up by agreeing that helping CFC do that just makes CFC the new runaway and does not help their team
2) His main concern with us is that we'll NAP everyone except 1 team, and then have an easy conquest, kind of like what we're about to do with the German team. He wants their team to have flexibility to help CivPlayers if we attack them
3) Either way, they're not making a deal now, period. We'll come back to this sometime before T160.
Chat with Apolyton/MZ Wrote:scooter
Hey, just wanted to say thanks - got your message
MZ
heya, yw
scooter
and I assume by your reply that means CFC has been pressing you guys into attacking us too huh?
MZ
quite off the record i can tell you that i1m as concerned about cfc as about you
scooter
hah, why's that?
I won't tell them or anyone of course, just curious
MZ
you are growing too big and too strong
scooter
oh, I meant why are you as concerned about cfc?
MZ
They are too will grow too big.. i assume they will finish off zulu quite fastt
scooter
yeah they will. and now they're attempting to recruiting everyone - including you guys right? - into dogpiling onto us
which... if that works out,a ll that does is make cfc the big leader and not us, which doesn't change a whole lot for the rest of the world
MZ
Yes i1m aware of hat.
that*
scooter
yeah I figured. so what's your thoughts on cfc's proposal against us? what would you gain from joining?
MZ
I can1t really answer ths question, for at least two reasons: 1, i can not confirm nor deny what you say about cfc's plans. 2: We are yet unsure about the future. Nevertheless I can tell you that the ereason of refuing the Nap is that I'd like to avoid the situation in which the inca is now
scooter
what do you mean about avoiding their situation?
MZ
that you have nap with everyone else and inca has no chance aganst you alone
at least this is what we expect a qucik and devastating war againt the inca from you
scooter
well, since you will neither confirm nor deny, I will do the same
I guess I don't see how a NAP extension coudl put you in the same place as Inca
Inca is in the tenuous position you've described because we didn't agree to an extension. we're offering you one, though.
MZ
since i don't want you to see too much into this refusal I tell you:
we believe an other civ might meet the same fate as inca, and we wouldn't like that, especially if it close to us
scooter
at our hands you mean? or somebody else?
MZ
at your hnds ofc
scooter
and you would like to have the ability to help them out if we do that is what you're implying?
MZ
maybe yes. that's why we don1t want nap extension yet. we want t osee how things develop.
scooter
how would that happen in the next 20T though
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if you think Inca is about to be in trouble, and you know CFC is plotting against us in 25T, where are we going to find the time to invade another team?
MZ
i'm not sure cfc would attack you in 25T
scooter
you know they want to, and you know they're recruiting for it
and zulu sure aren't going to slow them down very much, hah
MZ
if i1d deny it you probably wouldn1t believe it anyway
scooter
I'm trying to believe, but my job is to be skeptical and a little paranoid
MZ
don't worry, I'm ultra paranoid as well.. at some point I thought you and inca working together and plottingagainst us
scooter
haha yeah, it's better than being oblivious
anyway, our main concern is the ending of our NAP puts you in a window where it coincides too closely with CFC. even a minor extension would help us trust you.
are you afraid we're going to gobble up civplayers or weplayciv?
my understanding is you think we're going to kill inca, then use the peace with you to kill somebody else. just curious who you think that somebody will be
we have no plans for such a thing at the moment, but if you gave me specifics maybe i could explain better
MZ
there are things I can not reveal to you, especially without approval of my team, but you more or less see the thins as they are. Right now we believe this is our interest
scooter
well I'll just clear things up. our NAP with WPC runs very long - longer even than what we suggested with you. so that invasion is not happening
civplayers also cannot happen, because CFC is aligned with them. the minute we walk into civplayers territory, CFC's large knight/mace army enters ours from the other side and we're in big trouble
i'm talking after T170 when our nap with you runs out
MZ
it's too hard to tell now what will be the state of game in 20 turns. We probably won1t hve a big army anway.. our current defense is quite a shame. now you may think you will nt have the opportunity to attack cp, but i could change. and while you and cfc might have a power balance which would suit us, but it's also possible that one of you becomes much stronger and then we might need to act somehow.
scooter
Ok that's fair. How about we check back with you in 6-10 turns or so.
like you said, things are changing quickly, so maybe that will have an impact
MZ
yes, we should get back to this lter
scooter
well thanks for the chat, very informative. I'll let you go
MZ
k, cya
Summary:
1) They claim CFC is not really recruiting them, and/or they aren't really interested in joining. He backs this up by agreeing that helping CFC do that just makes CFC the new runaway and does not help their team
2) His main concern with us is that we'll NAP everyone except 1 team, and then have an easy conquest, kind of like what we're about to do with the German team. He wants their team to have flexibility to help CivPlayers if we attack them
3) Either way, they're not making a deal now, period. We'll come back to this sometime before T160.