Chat with Yossarian of CFC:
Chat with CFC Wrote:scooter
Hey Yossarian, you around?
YossarianLives
Hey scooter, what's up?
scooter
hey. so I wanted to pass on a note from the team, and chat seemed easier than email
We'd like to firmly request that you stop pillaging tiles in neutral territory on our front with the Incan team
YossarianLives
Right, about that. I'm reminded of your answer when I asked you if your team would stop gifting a Ivory to the Spaniards
scooter
Meh, apples and oranges. This is pretty much NAP abuse and I think you know that
YossarianLives
The pillage gold is very important to our research plans right now. We can't really give it up
scooter
Anyway, we'd be willing to cancel our ivory trade if you would stop pillaging
YossarianLives
Well, I'll definitely take that back to the team. The Ivory has been a pain in the ass to deal with
But your timing isn't the greatest.
scooter
how so?
YossarianLives
Just that soon it might not be so crucial to us that the deal is cancelled. The damage is done at this point...
I'm sure you've noticed their massive whipping recently
I really don't mean to sound like a jerk here, but you're not leaving us a lot of options scooter
scooter
their whipping has been less than impressive, but yeah at least they've tried a little bit
YossarianLives
brb
scooter
Anyway, I'm being realistic here. I said firmly request, but I know reality is we can't really stop you from pillaging
I just want to communicate to you that refusing to stop is damaging and does anger team members, so if you want us to have any hope of a relationship going forward, I'd ask that you stop.
however if you're willing to burn bridges, then I can't do anything to stop that, and I recognize that. So that's your team's call.
YossarianLives
Alright, I appreciate you being straightforward with us here. I'll take this back to the team and see what I can come up with. I've said it before that I do think we can have future cooperation after T175.
I'm not going to lie, we knew that you'd notice the pillaging and you wouldn't be happy. But we also really did feel like your refusal to cancel the ivory trade was meant to signal that all bets are off, every team for themselves
scooter
We got the "all bets are off" feel from finding out that you were trying to rally certain teams against us. It seems we've been in a bit of a cold war for quite some time
YossarianLives
Well, ever since we asked for assistance after the Spaniards first DOW'ed us and you turned us away, it seems like things have been quieter between our two teams
But that doesn't mean things can't turn around
Did you ever get a chance to talk to CivFr about our war, btw?
scooter
We exchanged a message or two, but they haven't written us back in several days now. They're actually supplying the German team with ivory so you aren't the only ones dealing with surprise elephants :P
Anyway, they say you guys declared war in order to sabotage their great merchant mission which you had previously agreed to allow
seems like a pretty dirty trick if that's true. What happened from your perspective?
YossarianLives
Well, I did go back to the team to ask what I can divulge to you about the war. They said I've already said too much :/
scooter
heh, wow, tight-lipped. You hardly said anything, what could I possibly do with the little you told me? haha
YossarianLives
But obviously we disagree with what CivFr told you. We did not sabotage their GM mission, though we could have
scooter
If anything I probably said too much, even just now, but it still seems worthwhile to me
YossarianLives
Maybe you at least believe me now that we aren't secretly working together or anything like that
scooter
well I know the merchant did not die, but they said it came 1T away from completing the mission. you declared war, threatened it with units (did not kill), so they sprung a golden age to keep from wasting it
YossarianLives
No no, the merchant was never threatened.
scooter
I never really believed that it was a conspiracy even slightly, but I figured a little bit of probing on that would maybe get you to at least give me the real reason
so you deny placing multiple military units next to it after declaring war?
YossarianLives
I'm not the turnplayer so I'm not sure exactly what was around there, but let's say that we used non-combat escorts to show our peaceful intent
It's surprising how hard it can be to get a team to talk before playing out their turns, especially considering how slowly the turns are moving
scooter
haha, well I don't know that declaring war to prevent a trade mission is exactly "peaceful" but fair enough
YossarianLives
I'm glad we're in frequent communication, at least. To prevent any misunderstandings.
DOWs don't prevent the ability to perform the mission, iirc
I'm thinking about when Sullla used a merchant in PB2, although they might still have been at peace with their neighbor at that point. It was so long ago the details are a little hazy
scooter
yeah he did that when at peace, the thing there was borders were closed, but merchants can ignore those
anyway, so why did you deny them a trade mission you previously agreed to allow?
and yes, though sure our relations have been strained a bit by natural game causes, I am glad we've chatted frequently. It's been pretty helpful.
YossarianLives
Again, no intention to deny it. But like I said, the team has asked me to stay more tight-lipped about the way, and you are getting more info from me than they'd probably like, already
scooter
Hah, ok fair enough. It's just concerning to us that you would go back on a deal like that, seeing as we have deals with you and we've considered future deals with you
YossarianLives
Well, if we can clear things up and get into a more cooperative mindset with each other, we can probably start sharing more details about what is going on in the wider world.
But we absolutely will not break any deals that we have made. Our NAP is good, our Marble trade is good, everything else in our treaty will be honored
From here it briefly strayed into non-important personal chit-chat, which I'll include just as a demonstration of what I mean about trying not to burn bridges.
YossarianLives
So, I noticed that both our wars were less eventful last turn with no cities captured for the first time since your war started. Things starting to slow down a little for you?
scooter
Well your chariot has a front-row seat so you should be able to see what's going on :P. But I wouldn't say slowing down, just a waiting turn. Fireworks should resume shortly
anyway, headed out to lunch now, so I need to step away
thanks for the chat
YossarianLives
Take care, and I'll get back to you about the pillaging thing
