So, I had a chat with Yossarian from CFC yesterday. Last night was crazy so I didn't get a chance to post it, but here it is. There is not much of significant substance - most of the second half of the chat is just chit-chat. Here's the log, I'll summarize the notable points at the bottom.
Main notes
1) They appreciated our post on refusing gifts from someone who is about to die. Nice to know they view this as exploitative, even though CivFr apparently does not.
2) Sounds like CivFr demanded some of the Zulu land as reparations for the Merchant fiasco.
3) That said, sounds like CFC is going to pay them off, and they'll be at peace shortly. Not very surprising.
4) They view the NAP situation as the ball being in our court. I think they view things like us - a NAP would be nice, but it's not necessary right now for either of us.
Chat with CFC/Yossarian Wrote:scooter
congrats to your team on getting the first complete kill
our world is a slightly smaller place now
YossarianLives
Thanks! In the car now, I'll let you know when I can chat
YossarianLives
Ok, I'm here if you want to talk
Sorry I hadn't gotten back to you earlier, I've been pretty busy, but I hope you noticed that we did stop pillaging
scooter
hey no problem. and yes, we did note and appreciate that
how's the CivFr war? I saw they razed one of your cities
YossarianLives
Thanks for your post in the tech thread also about the Spaniards attempted gift. We appreciate that. Very good sportsmanship on your part
We'll miss those guys, they were a lot of fun to play with
scooter
Yeah we talked about it and it didn't seem right. I'm glad to hear your team feels similarly
YossarianLives
CivFr war is fine, just trying to hammer out the land division of former Zulu territory
scooter
and agreed. they weren't a very strong team, but they made me laugh a lot.
YossarianLives
How is the German war going?
scooter
I don't think they were very organized - they asked me about tech trading a week or so ago hahah. They somehow forgot TT is off
YossarianLives
Who, the Spaniards? I don't think they took a really close look at the rules
They kept asking us to send them screenshots of the land between us when we first met
scooter
yeah makes sense. and it's going smoothly. their current turn player is a pretty competent defender, but they're obviously severely outmanned.
yeah the Spaniards. and that's funny, I don't doubt it.
YossarianLives
Yeah, they held their own against wpc pretty well earlier, but they're up against a whole different beast this time around
Poor Germans, can't catch a break!
scooter
Yeah I feel for them. Someone has to be the victim
how does land splitting with CivFr even work? They have a bit of a reputation for not being timely in their communication
YossarianLives
Lol, not easily. That reputation is well earned!
How about sharing German lands? Is wpc going to try to get any of the spoils?
scooter
well good luck with that, hah. Yeah they will, but as you can imagine their military techs are vastly outdated, so we'll see how much they can do.
YossarianLives
Yeah,I think we've pretty much figured it out now. Didn't go as smoothly as we wanted, but we think we found something fair for both sides
Hopefully the French agree lol
scooter
Haha, guess so. Does that mean our team's war will be the only one soon?? So sad
And how much land are they really going to get? You guys did do basically all the work there
YossarianLives
Lol, we really don't want war! I get that you think our requests for a NAP extension are too much, but you haven't come back to us with anything
scooter
Oh I was referring to our team's current war with Inca, not with your team
I think we both realize though that if we fight your team, CivFr wins
YossarianLives
Oh, got it
Well, hopefully wpc can join you to keep you company soon
Yeah, I think our the teams have really started to pull ahead of the pack.
But CivFr and us are finally starting to catch up to you a little bit
Those war preparations really have an impact on score
scooter
Yep, sure do.
by the way, this is why it's difficult to convince the team to NAP with you guys since you seem to insist on payment
Taj + rolling over weakest team in the game will do that for you
YossarianLives
Sure, but you're about to roll over the next weakest team. And we've had to make some payments ourselves
scooter
you've had to make some payments?
and eh, we don't get to keep all the Incan land. in terms of city counts, you'll be awfully close to even with us
YossarianLives
To a team that's been ahead of us in score this whole time!
Well, in terms of land concessions, giving up Zulu territory that really should be ours
scooter
I was going to say you must mean CivFr, I certainly don't remember us getting any payments :D
YossarianLives
Lol, well, your marble (re)payment is coming
I just hope we don't meet the same fate as the last team that gifted you marble
scooter
well, both cases we traded for the marble, and in both cases we gave up more than we received in order to get it, so I wouldn't call them gifts hah. but fair enough
YossarianLives
I don't think the cost was too high. You've definitely benefited a lot from our long NAP
scooter
I think we've both benefitted a lot from it no doubt
CivFr would be the prohibitive favorite if we hadn't agreed on that deal
YossarianLives
Globe Theatre on the border may have been a more difficult build otherwise
scooter
they've got some extremely good players
haha, it was going to get built one way or another, and that was the best spot for a drafting camp
YossarianLives
True, the NAP and trades have been good for both of us
Yeah, they're a smart team, just need to work on their diplo a little bit
scooter
yeah, common issue for experienced MP teams like that. not accustomed to the diplo hassle
YossarianLives
Right, this definitely is not a ladder game
RB definitely seems to have the most experience with long PBs, even if you guys do hate half the settings we're playing with
I'm looking forward to reading Sullla's write-up of this game after its all over, to read about all our stoner moves, and the c&d work you guys must be doing. I hope he does one of those on his website.
scooter
yeah it's a diverse team. I hope he does a post-game writeup. I think your team has been very strong in the last 75-80 turns especially. really went all-in to get nationalism that quickly, then all-in on the Zulu war. Obviously both paid off
YossarianLives
Yeah, I agree that's where we stopped dinking around and got more serious about the game
So you don't think there are Amy other teams out there getting ready to join the fun and go to war?
It definitely helps to pick up interest amongst the teammates
scooter
I kinda doubt it, not a lot of serious building up happening
YossarianLives
Well you're probably keeping better track of that kind of thing than we are. We've had enough on our hands for awhile, as the saying goes
scooter
Heh, understood. Sorry for the delay in messages, partially occupied with work and all that. And I've got to run now
YossarianLives
Alright, sounds good. Talk to you later
Main notes
1) They appreciated our post on refusing gifts from someone who is about to die. Nice to know they view this as exploitative, even though CivFr apparently does not.
2) Sounds like CivFr demanded some of the Zulu land as reparations for the Merchant fiasco.
3) That said, sounds like CFC is going to pay them off, and they'll be at peace shortly. Not very surprising.
4) They view the NAP situation as the ball being in our court. I think they view things like us - a NAP would be nice, but it's not necessary right now for either of us.