Chat with CFC:
Chat with CFC Wrote:scooter
What's your team think about the NAP idea btw?
YossarianLives
tbh, we're still somewhat divided
The proposal you made was a good one though. A lot of our team is ready to sign
But we do everything very diplomatically, and decisions take a little while to make
We're taking our time on this one, since we have it
Not diplomatically, democratically
scooter
Yeah no problem, I understand. Glad to hear people at least feel generally favorably about it
YossarianLives
Yeah, we're closer than I thought we would ever get before you had proposed anything.
scooter
I know our teams have both clashed with each other once or twice, but the reality is we communicate fairly well and both of our teams are pretty practical, so that helps a lot
YossarianLives
Were you able to replay your turn? Did the second reload have any impact on your battles?
scooter
"we communicate fairly well" - I mean both of our teams
YossarianLives
Yeah, I really like the dialogue we've had since we've been chatting
scooter
we haven't replayed it yet. Probably tonight or tomorrow, not sure. little hesitant to hurry too much and play since that ended poorly last time! haha
not too worried about the rerolling of battles. our luck was moderately above-average the first time so we may lose an extra unit or two, but it was our mistake to begin with so I cant complain
YossarianLives
Yeah, I don't think luck has much to do with the outcome of your battles at this point
What are you leaving for WPC? I thought they were going to get some of the German lands
scooter
yeah it wasn't going to hurt us on a significant level, it's mop-up time right now
YossarianLives
Right now we're predicting you might just continue right through WPC after you finish the Germans off.
scooter
that's sort of in progress on sorting that out. they kind of did things very different from our recommendations early on, and that really hurt them.
it's just awkward when one is attacking with knights, maces, and elephants and the other is attacking with dog soldiers
YossarianLives
lol!!!
scooter
hah, nah probably not
YossarianLives
Well that's good (from our perspective)
We were thinking that the way you worded the NAP, if you started a war with them right before T175, then we couldn't do anything while you just kept gobbling up more land
scooter
would it make you guys more willing to agree on the NAP if we promised not to attack them?
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no, sorry on the confusion there
the idea was as soon as the agreement was signed, that clause would be in effect
so theoretically if you guys sign it tomorrow and we declare on WPC next week, you would get your "out" clause
and vice versa of course
YossarianLives
Another question about the NAP
Do you have the same concerns about us that we have about you? That with a standard NAP we could DOW another weak team and take more land without you being able to stop us? Or was there another reason you made the clause reciprical?
scooter
Kind of, yeah. If we sign a NAP with you suddenly get peace with CivFr, you have a sizable army and a northern neighbor with basically no army
*with you, and you suddenly
YossarianLives
Well we need to catch up to you somehow! We had to share the Zulu lands with CivFr, but it looks like you're now getting all the German lands to yourselves
scooter
I can understand that, yeah. Would you be more interested in the deal if we dropped that portion of the clause for your team?
YossarianLives
Is that something you would be willing to do?
scooter
I'd have to check with the team and talk about it. I hadn't considered that it might be a sticking point. In my opinion I'd be willing to, but there are a lot of other opinions of course
YossarianLives
Yeah, I definitely know how that goes!
scooter
I'll check with them and get back to you for sure
YossarianLives
That would be great. One less concern for some of our members.
scooter
for sure, and yeah, do pass on to your team that the "out clause" would be active immediately, not wait until T175
you know, I'll send you an official email after we discuss all that with official wording so it's clear
let's me clean up the language a bit so nothing is overly ambiguous
Also I can't remember if we discussed this, but if we did this, we'd like to close "NAP loopholes"
YossarianLives
Like the pillaging thing?
scooter
and also extend our EP arrangements where we both target EPs elsewhere
yeah pillaging, helping enemies with strategic resources/gold, etc
we really only closed about half of them last time, and it seems prudent to just clean it all up so we're both clear
YossarianLives
You'll re-write it with the appropriate language for all that, then?
scooter
yeah I can do that
as soon as we figure out what we want to do with your half of the out clause, I'll send that to you
that work?
YossarianLives
Perfect, we'll be looking out for that, then
scooter
great!