Sent to WPC:
RB Wrote:Beta,
So I was just clued in this morning about the in-game chat that went poorly, and I was in the middle of writing you a message when your email came in. First off, thanks for the apology, and I'd like to extend ours too. Sullla seems to have had a long day going into that, and the perpetual Turn 160 that kept getting stopped and reloaded was frustrating to us all, so I think you guys just had the perfect storm for catching each other in a bad mood. It happens in a game we've all invested a lot of time in, so I hope things are okay going forward. It looks like both sides said some regrettable things, so hopefully we can both write that off as a blip and move on. We clearly have a bit of an game-related dispute or difference of opinions, but I really don't want that to extend to a personal dispute. This is a game after all, and our contact with your team has been nothing but pleasant throughout. So please do accept our sincere apologies for the harsh words that were said.
As for our dispute over spoils, I think there's a few frustrations from our side too. I want to dispel this myth that we've walked into empty cities and you guys have had to do all the fighting. Someone on our team did a count of units. Your initial stack had 45 units:
* 5 archers
* 3 chariots
* 10 dogs
* 5 swords
* 15 cats
* 7 spears
That's 200k of power. Here are the units we've killed so far in this war:
* 12 axes
* 9 spears
* 14 longbows
* 1 Quechua
* 1 horse archer
* 3 elephants
* 1 catapult
That's 217k of power. We've killed more than you invaded with. Yes they did weight things toward you a bit later on in the war, but we absolutely killed a lot of units. I understand that you've seen them defend heavily against you, but the reality is we brought Knights, Maces, and Elephants and you brought dog soldiers, and dog soldiers will never do anything against longbows and elephants. It just isn't true that you've had to do all the fighting. I don't know what exactly you've killed from their team, but I'm guessing it's less than 211k of power. For reference, we had 387k of power (3,140h of production) on turn 1 of the war, and we've added ~200k of power of Knights/Maces throughout the war.
The added frustration for us was the missed opportunity to hit Warendorf early. We blitzed their first couple cities. It definitely cost us quite a few units, but it allowed us to capture their population before it could be whipped into new units. I honestly believe you guys would have taken Warendorf had you attacked it immediately instead of burning 4 turns turning around and going the wrong direction. Sure it would have been bloody, but that was literally all they had on that front - the rest was by us and too far away to reinforce. If Warendorf fell, the rest of their cities were always going to collapse afterwards. That 4 turns they spent whipping longbows and war elephants, and that basically turned the tide of the war up there.
So I'm not sure what to do next to resolve this. I do understand your frustrations completely, but I do not agree with your opinion that you've had to do all the fighting while we waltz into all the spoils untouched. I believe it's just the reality that we brought a ton of extremely advanced units. Anyway, I think I better send this so you can hear my initial thoughts and react, but I'm more than willing to continue talking this through and figuring out how we can help you out going forward.
Thanks,
scooter - Team RB