Reply from WPC:
WPC Wrote:Thanks for the reply Scooter. And thanks for the info on units.
To continue the discussion, I can share our numbers as well, and I believe they support our position pretty clearly
To start with, I can't easily get our numbers from turn 150, but two turns later we had 389k of units. Slightly more than you had on turn 150, albeit as you have pointed out, not particularly strong units. And both of us were building more units during those turns. So we did not start out markedly weaker than you.
We have killed 163k worth of German units in this war:
15 axes
8 catapults
2 elephants
1 longbow
2 spears
4 chariots
1 quechua
Bearing down on us at the start of the last turn were:
4 chariots
13 war elephants
6 horse archers
4 longbows
9 catapults
4 axes
1 spear
2 quechuas
And in Warendorf: 2 longbows
That is 265k of units, most of which were previously defending us in Warendorf. And which we went to great expense to pin them there. If you recall, we wanted to move on to Wessleburn and hopefully split their defence. One of your team members ranted at me about our plan, and you wrote this to us:
"but if you guys want to make any progress it's pretty important that we both keep up the pressure on them and that their core cities start falling quickly. I'd really suggest you guys turn around and take a shot at Warendorf instead. Many of their units are going to turn around and fight us anyway since you can't hit the city for a few more turns, so things should be softened by the time you get there. The longer you wait, the more longbows will be present, and that will make it impossible for you guys to make any gains. The tundra cities will still be there for the taking when the core cities fall."
So, we stuck it out at Warendorf, clearly facing the larger portion of the German army.
If you add the 163k we have killed, that means we have killed and/or been facing 428k of German units, almost double of what you have had to face and kill.
Another perspective that supports our position. On turn 152, the turn we would have been attacking Warendorf had we gone straight in as has been suggested we should have, the German military in and around Warendorf was as follows:
11 catapults
3 war elephants
5 chariots
2 spears
15 axes
That totals 182k worth of units, almost the entire total you killed in taking some 10 cities.
Also of note, we have lost some 70 units totalling 298k.
So, I agree that you have had to do some serious fighting to take what you have, but the numbers show that you faced about half of the German military that we did. And that is reflected in your success in the war. And our lack thereof.
Cheers, Beta