(September 5th, 2013, 20:55)Bigger Wrote: cuba is very communistic, and china now is not that much different now than Stalinist Russia. If you mean communism as its propaganda says - government of the working class - then that government *never* existed.
I think there were very temporary communes in Paris and Spain that were pretty quickly crushed by the rest of Europe and Franco respectively. But yeah, genuine Marxist Communism hasn't lasted anywhere. I don't think that's an argument that it wouldn't be a good way to be governed, just that it's hard to set up stable and un-corruptly.
Cuba is a tough example because it's proximity to the US has helped it become a police state. Between the trade embargo and constant military threat it's astonishing the place has lasted so long, no doubt due to some unpleasant behaviour from the government.
(September 5th, 2013, 20:55)Bigger Wrote: If you think the US is an oligarchy then you don't really understand American politics at all. It has been becoming more and more democratic since the 1920s - and is still moving towards pure democracy. The problem is it never really was intended to be a democracy at all - the American founders were really quite afraid of democracy.
Given how much American culture we get here I suspect I understand your politics at least as well as you do
. It's like this right?(I prefer Douglas Adams' lizard version but couldn't find a video)
(September 5th, 2013, 20:55)Bigger Wrote: I don't think there has ever been a pure democracy either. ancient Athens was the closest, I guess, but even then there was a class system.
+1
Is there any reason you couldn't mix the good bits of democracy and communism? I don't think that's happened anywhere.
All this debate means I didn't have time to play the turn. I'll have to do it later...
Completed: RB Demogame - Gillette, PBEM46, Pitboss 13, Pitboss 18, Pitboss 30, Pitboss 31, Pitboss 38, Pitboss 42, Pitboss 46, Pitboss 52 (Pindicator's game), Pitboss 57
In progress: Rimworld
In progress: Rimworld