[SPOILERS] Team EggHeads: DMOC and TeddyKGB (Now Lurker-Friendly!)

[DMOC]

About HG, Math timing and research.

We are decide to go early GS for Academy. There is no point to turn slider on right now.
We'll turn it on t84 when Academy done, finish Math in 2 turns.
We can't rushing HG by rushing Math, as I see it. UC should regrow before whip aqueduct, workers should take timely positions before chops.

So, approx Math ETA t86, HG ETA t92-94.
Its not a good wonder for us. We'll have 8-9 cities by then, so its basically zero profit in term of population.
We'll get some GE points which we could use much later.
We'll deny this wonder for India or SutOxy as a bonus.

BTW, SutOxy is much more suitable candidate to stole it from us. They have stone close and they have enough cities already. Their tech rate is better than India's.
I'm not sure India will get Math by the time of 9-10 turns. Yuufo seems more interested in OrgRel, so I suppose he is planning to use that GE for Mids, not HG.
And its no guarantee GE for them. Its 50/50 GP/GE at best.

Well, we should still be in touch with Care Bears. If they get the Hanging Gardens with 12 cities, that's a major blow to the othe teams, as the leaders would further their advantage.

I'm not really understanding why we get zero profit from the Hanging Gardens? If we get eight cities, that's basically eight free population points for 150 hammers doubled to 300. We're going to be investing hammers somewhere, after all, and this way if we grow the capital to insane sizes, the extra +1 from the Gardens just gives us a little more wiggle room.

I'm not sure if SutOxy's tech rate is better than India's right now, given how fast they seem to be expanding. Still, it's a possibility. We can try talking to them to see if they're planning wonders.

Even if we decided to get an early academy, it's no big deal to raise research this turn if we wanted to. If you're convinced we can't change HG build time to be faster then that makes sense, but I'd be surprised if that were true.

Cities:

CM: Grow to size 8, 3-pop whip settler (or 2 pop?) and then overflow into lighthouse. That looks fine.
MIT: I'd suggest switching to a worker next turn (at size 5). I'm not sure if whipping is necessary, especially if there are cottages that need to be worked.
Stan: Ok, axe is fine. Do we plan to complete him or alternate between settler/axe? I really don't think Stanford needs a barracks; it's not going to be a military production powerhouse.
Berk: Library is fine to put overflow into this turn. The axe and wb are 29/35 and 29/30 in production, respectively. When will they start decaying? WE'll probably finish both of these units before the library, right? And if we go to HG plan we'll need to finish both units anyway. We might get some decay on the library but it will be small and our cre bonus makes up for it a bit.
Cor: You mentioned the possibility of building a spear; that's fine but to cut costs down we really shouldn't complete it unless we really need to. Here's one idea: Grow to size 4 while building a spear, then whip a worker for 2 pop and put overflow into barracks, then finish the spear. ?
UIll: Nothing much to say here, continue with the workboat.

So cities with libraries, as of next turn:
-CM, MIT, Cornell

Cities with barracks to be built (we don't have a barracks yet):
-MIT, city#7 (UWashington), possibly Cornell

One thing we need to start thinking about is which cities make military? MIT and city#7 have a lot of production potential, so it should probably be between those two, and that's why I think there should be barracks in those two cities. Having one in Cornell is fine, if only because it's close to Care Bears and we might need it down the line. wink

CM: ok, maybe whip 1-2 turns faster for 7->4 and regrow to size6 in 3-4 turns. Need sim. 2pop whip no point, cause our production not good in CM. Not much overflow either, LH just slow build while growing.
MIT: ok, worker at size5, but no whipping, imo.
Stan: I was gonna grow on Axe and whip settler after with overflow into that unit. But we could hurry Axe if Rome move some units or connect Iron.
Berk: Library hammers wont decay for 50 turns. Units we'll complete soon. I thought T78-lib; T79-Axe (we could delay it more); T80-workboat. T81 wb done, T84 city#7 borders expanded and wb improved fish just in time.
Cor: ok, will think about it. We'll need some workers in that area soon, cause our planned city#8 will go that way. Still, I think we should avoid whipping low food cities with good improved tiles (Copper). I was thinking starting Mids there, after stone connected. Just a thought.
UIll: yep, but we might want to rush that wb via chop.

I agree, we'll need some barracks soon. MIT, UWash and possibly Cornell as a start.

Yes, MIT and UWashington are the cities that need barracks soon. And if we don't need a worker fast, then MIT doesn't need to whip. Why is whipping for 2 population points at Carnegie Mellon pointless?

Speaking of the planed city #8, you're thinking of a spot between Cornell and Illinois to fill that gap there?

Okay so here are the main cliff notes to take away from my previous post:

- 2 Workers at Illinois: I suggest next turn, worker b move 7 and road, worker h move 7-7 to road starting turn 80, and on turn 81 we'll have an almost-completed road back home.
- 1 Worker at MIT/Stanford (worker g), cottage stanford in 2 more turns (will need to 'waste' a turn moving, unfortunately)
- 3 workers at Cornell; 2 definitely should stay with quarrying, but can we move the one that's farming over to berkeley area?
- 1 Worker at city 7 area: he's chopping, right?
- 1 worker (worker A) just finished farming; either move him to mine? (as I suggested) or we could have him 'pre-chop' a forest at berkeley and then road it, to make it easier for a future worker to come and finish the job.

As far as this turn goes, all workers should continue what they're doing, except we need to move worker G before the clock flips.

On turn 79 (next turn) if the Hanging Gardens is available I think we should seriously consider going for it. I think we can crank up research to 100% starting next turn to finish Math in 3 turns, and the stone will be done on turn 84, I think. Honestly, I think we might be able to get THG if we can get four workers over to chop. But we need a plan for this, i.e. how do we get the workers. We have 2 up in the area, MIT will start a worker next turn (and can whipped) but we need 1 more, from the worker who's doing the floodplains farm at Cornell? THG costs 300 hammers and am I correct in assuming we can get 240 in one turn from 4 chops?

Last random thought: move the scout back in our borders to cut down on costs? Or we can delete him...

- I was gonna put one from UIlli to chop into wb>granary. Maybe we could delay it till Math tho, not sure here.
- ok. I don't think we'll need that cottage in city without library, but its riverside. I was gonna put Stan on whip settler/military units production, but maybe you right.
- 3 wo near Cornell, I see your point. Lets decide on Math timing 1st. I'm not sure we could land HG before t92. Need sim.
- 1 wo at city#7 will chop into granary, yes
- woA. no idea, maybe.

We've talked about HG math and how 1turn it. If we want.
Still, it's not an excelent wonder for us, imo. It wouldn't be the end of the world if lose it, imo.
Aqueduct is completely waste of hammers and HG health bonus we simply dont need.

The main benefit of the Hanging Gardens to us would be to get the population points and deny it from Care Bears or SutOxy, who unfortunately are probably the candidates to get HG as well (what are the other teams doing??).

Stanford will eventually need to use that riverside cottage, so putting it there now is good, and we will definitely find the population points to work it.

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Thanks for finishing up the turn.