Just for fun, full log of that chat with Asterix here.
It was one and only chat with him. Only e-mails after.
It was one and only chat with him. Only e-mails after.
Quote: maga.civ@gmail.com (06:22:53 18/10/2013)
hi
LexIVn (06:23:00 18/10/2013)
hi
LexIVn (06:23:07 18/10/2013)
finally
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:23:12 18/10/2013)
so we finally met :-)
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:23:24 18/10/2013)
so on civstats you settled #5
LexIVn (06:23:36 18/10/2013)
yup, as I told u
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:23:49 18/10/2013)
so what are your thoughts?
LexIVn (06:24:25 18/10/2013)
well, i'm not sure war with india after T80 will benefit both of us
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:24:35 18/10/2013)
?
LexIVn (06:24:51 18/10/2013)
while our scores looks good its inflated by CRE trait for now
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:24:59 18/10/2013)
so you do not want to fight them at all?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:25:09 18/10/2013)
yeah, i know :-(
LexIVn (06:25:15 18/10/2013)
no, i want fight them
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:25:35 18/10/2013)
but just checked my ETA on cats - >20 turns :-(
LexIVn (06:25:40 18/10/2013)
i'm considering start fighting t75
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:25:43 18/10/2013)
when?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:25:55 18/10/2013)
i have nap till 80
LexIVn (06:26:00 18/10/2013)
i know
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:26:32 18/10/2013)
i do not think you have much army now - i keepscouting him, never saw more than 2 warriors together
LexIVn (06:26:44 18/10/2013)
u keep OB with them. did u planning to get trade route soon?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:26:58 18/10/2013)
i meant "yuufo", it gets autocorrected to "you"
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:27:34 18/10/2013)
the more i thought about the great wall, the more i was getting excited about using espionage on india
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:27:44 18/10/2013)
do not have tr yet, but should have soon
LexIVn (06:27:48 18/10/2013)
our team 2nd in mfg right now, but Yuufo is 1st
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:28:04 18/10/2013)
TR are giving very good EP discount
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:28:14 18/10/2013)
that was main reasone i wanted oB with India
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:28:47 18/10/2013)
do you know if his IMP bonus is included in MFG?
LexIVn (06:28:50 18/10/2013)
ok, i'll probably talk with india about trade rotes as well
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:28:59 18/10/2013)
he is also chopping a lot, cannot do it forever
LexIVn (06:29:07 18/10/2013)
no, i dont think its included
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:29:19 18/10/2013)
but he just got granaru in his capitol, so whipping will bemore effective for him
LexIVn (06:29:25 18/10/2013)
now u can chop after finish math
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:29:39 18/10/2013)
yeah
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:29:53 18/10/2013)
how far you are from connecting the stone?
LexIVn (06:29:55 18/10/2013)
we have 4 granaries for some time
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:30:01 18/10/2013)
wow
LexIVn (06:30:11 18/10/2013)
EXP is fun
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:30:28 18/10/2013)
do you problems with unhappiness?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:30:43 18/10/2013)
as i said, some of our lurkers said we should pick Sury
LexIVn (06:30:50 18/10/2013)
not whip too much as u can see on scoreboard
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:31:10 18/10/2013)
i am frankly not following these things closely anymore
LexIVn (06:31:19 18/10/2013)
yup, me too
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:31:47 18/10/2013)
so with what you want to attack india at turn 75?
LexIVn (06:32:58 18/10/2013)
i didn't say we'll attack.
right now i'm thinking keep peace with them for some more turns
our power rating slightly above theirs right now
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:33:37 18/10/2013)
ah, but you said something like that it would be too late to attack them after T80?
LexIVn (06:33:46 18/10/2013)
we are just considering all options now, including attack on T75
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:34:15 18/10/2013)
so what units you can have at T75?
LexIVn (06:35:21 18/10/2013)
well, they had top MFG, and 2 coppers connected
i'm afraid T80 will be suicide for both of us.
we may try something funny alone on T75, but Yuufo competent enough to defend properly I'm afraid
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:35:56 18/10/2013)
and what about turn around 100?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:37:23 18/10/2013)
and I still do not have a clear idea what kind of forces it would require to successfully attack Yuufo. What are your ideas?
LexIVn (06:37:24 18/10/2013)
see, i don't like us go for HBR, it would be suicide for us.
and India could easily produce enough spears to defend
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:37:44 18/10/2013)
now we can build only axes and chariots
LexIVn (06:38:06 18/10/2013)
did u connect copper?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:38:08 18/10/2013)
so just axes and cats?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:38:20 18/10/2013)
double movers are sometimes very handy
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:38:36 18/10/2013)
need couple more turns, it is far away from me
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:39:01 18/10/2013)
i have copper in the sec cod ring of my city #4
LexIVn (06:39:08 18/10/2013)
i saw
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:40:11 18/10/2013)
I will also not get construction before T80, my costs doubled with this aggresive city
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:40:41 18/10/2013)
you consider attacking gold city?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:41:03 18/10/2013)
I am just scouting around the place when he blocked North passage
LexIVn (06:41:09 18/10/2013)
yup, costs are killing us too. i have no idea what India's cost looks like
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:41:40 18/10/2013)
Yuufo told me he does not "pay much" for all his cities, but I do not believe him
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:42:08 18/10/2013)
his GNP is very low - and he has +8 culture from Oracle ad Holy city
LexIVn (06:42:15 18/10/2013)
yup, he told its not a problem being FIN and all
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:42:36 18/10/2013)
well, i am FIN and it is a problem for me
LexIVn (06:42:56 18/10/2013)
our GNP just slightly better than his, but we are at 0% slider obv
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:43:14 18/10/2013)
looks like he is bluffing, he did not use the FIN argumanet on me, as I am FIN, too
LexIVn (06:43:40 18/10/2013)
he adopted confu this turn btw
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:43:49 18/10/2013)
yeah, i saw
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:43:59 18/10/2013)
you know why?
LexIVn (06:44:30 18/10/2013)
he has gold+silver and MC for forges (i'm almost sure its MC not Monarchy)
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:44:45 18/10/2013)
yes, i confirmed he got MC
LexIVn (06:44:55 18/10/2013)
probably planning to grow vertical now
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:45:02 18/10/2013)
so why he converted?
LexIVn (06:45:15 18/10/2013)
whip angry too much?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:45:45 18/10/2013)
i do not remeber how it works - if he converts, he gets +1 happy from religion?
LexIVn (06:45:49 18/10/2013)
its a long way to forges and he needs granaries first
LexIVn (06:46:08 18/10/2013)
yup, in every city with state religion
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:46:28 18/10/2013)
so - what do you want me to do - or to ask?
LexIVn (06:47:00 18/10/2013)
i'm not sure what the best strategy for us now
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:47:09 18/10/2013)
me too
LexIVn (06:47:23 18/10/2013)
i'm assuming after math u r at 0% for some turns?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:47:30 18/10/2013)
what were the variants you considered?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:47:37 18/10/2013)
yeah
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:47:49 18/10/2013)
and i need to convert to slavery at some point
LexIVn (06:48:02 18/10/2013)
yup
LexIVn (06:49:36 18/10/2013)
problem is, we are still has no clear plan with our tech path.
we want fight India back, but there is still some land to peaceful expansion left.
and after u contact Pony, there is even more land...
LexIVn (06:50:15 18/10/2013)
what u relations with SutOxy now?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:50:35 18/10/2013)
looks like there is a long stretch of ice between us - clear natural border - and if we pass that, that would mean war
LexIVn (06:50:45 18/10/2013)
i mean, u probably need a safe borders before go to war with India
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:51:06 18/10/2013)
answered them, they math was a bit faulty. why?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:51:27 18/10/2013)
we have NAP until T135, should not be an issue
LexIVn (06:51:44 18/10/2013)
i still thinking about our 3 teams could work together
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:52:13 18/10/2013)
yeah, but i do not think they would be very helpful against India
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:52:24 18/10/2013)
or do they want to send units?
LexIVn (06:53:18 18/10/2013)
no, ofc not. they want to win, and sending units 30 tiles away from capital not helping
LexIVn (06:53:37 18/10/2013)
India is our problem
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:53:44 18/10/2013)
yeah, so i am focusing on India now
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:53:59 18/10/2013)
will have to go soon, so a couple practical questions:
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:54:36 18/10/2013)
i have a scout north of Yuufo's capitol - do you see his city there? is it worth scouting around?
LexIVn (06:54:52 18/10/2013)
no, i dont
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:55:04 18/10/2013)
would you trade me stone?
LexIVn (06:55:28 18/10/2013)
timing on stone connected TBD for us
LexIVn (06:55:41 18/10/2013)
Masonry wasnt priority
LexIVn (06:55:49 18/10/2013)
for us
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:55:57 18/10/2013)
the more i think about Great Spy, the more i convinced it will be extremely useful - pure domohacking would never tell us how yuufo's units are moving
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:57:30 18/10/2013)
the other solution for me is to try to go for Great Wall w/o stone - would be very costly, almost 2 cities :-( and you would trade me stone later and somehow we include the Great Spy investement in diving India's cities and land
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:57:52 18/10/2013)
masonry is also good for construction
LexIVn (06:58:16 18/10/2013)
i'm not ready to tell u what turn we'll connect stone.
i simply dont know yet. we have only 2 workers near new city and they have other things to do by now
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:58:40 18/10/2013)
and the city is not on the top of the stone, right?
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:59:07 18/10/2013)
I think the window to get the great wall is norrow - we do have Lord Parkin in here
LexIVn (06:59:14 18/10/2013)
no, its on the sign 'city5' on screenshot i've sent u
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:59:23 18/10/2013)
ok
LexIVn (06:59:33 18/10/2013)
i'm not sure LP interested in GW
maga.civ@gmail.com (06:59:51 18/10/2013)
and you said you do not want HBR - so what military technology you would pursue?
LexIVn (06:59:51 18/10/2013)
hes after Mids most likely
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:00:10 18/10/2013)
great wall would be cheap for him
LexIVn (07:00:22 18/10/2013)
well, if we delay war till knight, we'll provide our UU
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:00:42 18/10/2013)
till knights? that would be very late?
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:00:51 18/10/2013)
like turn 150-175?
LexIVn (07:01:35 18/10/2013)
earlier I hope, but if we go war before, i'm afraid we'll nedd cats also
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:01:46 18/10/2013)
I think that would be too late - Yuufo would have all the tim ein the world to reap benefits of all this land
LexIVn (07:02:20 18/10/2013)
do u have some more good land to expand right now?
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:02:26 18/10/2013)
spies are working as cats, too
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:02:37 18/10/2013)
i mean, in terms of city defences
LexIVn (07:03:00 18/10/2013)
well, not much culture defence for India anyway
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:03:05 18/10/2013)
i have scouted in a crazy around the world pattern, so i am not sure how much
LexIVn (07:03:31 18/10/2013)
u should settle gold soon anyway
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:03:46 18/10/2013)
suxy ox are claiming they are almost out of it - i have enough for at least couple cities, but not double-digit number
LexIVn (07:03:54 18/10/2013)
we are planning to settle next city towar India too
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:04:01 18/10/2013)
i do not have a dot map yet, but so far i have only 4 cities
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:04:36 18/10/2013)
actually, with religion, they are almost creative
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:04:42 18/10/2013)
and can build temples now
LexIVn (07:04:46 18/10/2013)
both OS and us is EXP, thats helps with early expansion
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:05:10 18/10/2013)
yeah, i would settle the gold and another city towards india - if yuufo would not beat me to it
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:05:35 18/10/2013)
maybe that is why they say they need more land
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:06:00 18/10/2013)
so, i have to go in couple of minutes
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:06:09 18/10/2013)
any conclusions?
LexIVn (07:06:32 18/10/2013)
ok, 1-2 min
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:06:47 18/10/2013)
I am listening
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:07:56 18/10/2013)
i was not considering attacking t80, can check how many units i can get by then
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:08:23 18/10/2013)
i will have horser and copper connected before T80
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:09:23 18/10/2013)
btw, are you waiting for me to finish the turn?
LexIVn (07:11:14 18/10/2013)
- we wont extend our NAP with India for now
- we may talk about trade routes and OB with them
- I'll keep u informed on any negotiation with India
- we are keep attack on T75 option open, but not expect u'll join us on T80, we'll talk later on T70-71
- our team much more like peaceful expansion for next 30 turns, but its TBD
- I'll tell u our stone connected timing closer to T70
LexIVn (07:12:38 18/10/2013)
end of turn: i was consulting with DMOC in the thread about some micro and units move
LexIVn (07:13:12 18/10/2013)
end the turn as u like
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:13:31 18/10/2013)
OK. I also think that attacking in turns 100-120 would be better - unless something alarming happens
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:13:51 18/10/2013)
but if we do not extend nap, we have to be ready also fo yuufo's attack
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:14:01 18/10/2013)
let us stay in touch
maga.civ@gmail.com (07:14:18 18/10/2013)
nice tallking with you, gotta run now - bye
LexIVn (07:14:48 18/10/2013)
let me think about all this 1-2 days.
please, dont start any NAP negotiations with India before.
LexIVn (07:14:55 18/10/2013)
nice talking with u too
LexIVn (07:15:00 18/10/2013)
bye
