[Spoilers] Fintourist and Old Harry have nothing to see here

[Old Harry]

Turn 130

This picture might enlighten a chat we had this morning:

Fintourist: suttree has now OBs with mackoti
..
me: Ah, crap
That's pretty bad
Fintourist: I like your post, I'm not worried about #2
suttree has enough units to deal with mackoti attack
those 15 cats are quite decent
me: Yeah
if they're allowed to hit
Fintourist: in his own land it's likely
me: I think we shouldn't complete the walls in Konig this turn
Fintourist: I'm wondering that DOW+peace and gift him back those 10 gold might be a way to go
me: That's what I was thinking
Fintourist: we could focus our troops west
me: Also offer him some happy?
Fintourist: can't do it at the same time i think
me: we really want peace with one of them
Fintourist: we would like to get OBs with suttree so that next time when peace runs out we have visibility
and agree with peace
me: Yep that would be great
Fintourist: I think DOW+gifting 10 gold would be good
world map?
me: Might as well
Fintourist: he already knows where jamestown and hastings are..
probably has our maps via someone else too
me: yeah
Fintourist: about walls, yes, no need to finish them
König does not have good 4th tile though
I think we want to finish dyes for Hastings
me: Hmmm, the chariot can't see into Barca this turn.
Fintourist: yeah..
me: I agree on the dyes
Fintourist: hmm
wanna put last check into Madrid and then head west next turn?
me: I think we should start moving our axes towards Hastings
Fintourist: I think they should be NE of König
me: yeah
Fintourist: for now
and bows too
me: then next turn we can see into barca
Fintourist: we also want to be prepared for our peace running out with mackoti
me: another sentry chariot would be very handy...
More spears needed for Mack
Fintourist: If we have units NE of König they can reach Cannae in time before macks 1-movers
2-movers can be handled with whipped spears I think
Well he has a mixed army I think, so 3 spears in nibru + couple of bows (later lbows) should be quite good
me: I see your "paranoia" tile
Fintourist: yeah
When does mack's peace end with suttree?
me: Withdrawing HA's and shock HAs should clear out an decent number of spears I think, I doubt we could whip enough to stop his whole stack.
this turn or next
I think we need to put hammers into spears in A, B, C and G
Fintourist: well, let's try to get enforced peace with suttree and we are safe :P
sure, but no need to do it before t133
it's still a completely crazy plan for mack
me: I think his stack will be 3S of Cannae on t133.
Fintourist: oh, right
damn this game is one huge cat&mouse game
me: He'll guess that we're short on units in the centre, and a stack of 15 or 20 horse archers will just pillage us into the dirt if it doesn't kill our cities outright
Fintourist: his troops must still be at m_h land though
me: or healing up
Fintourist: I don't think he has 15-20 HAs..
me: ?
Fintourist: but I get your point
He has less power than us
me: How many do you think he has
Fintourist: and part of that power is in axes & cats
me: I think that cat he showed us was probably a diversion
Fintourist: I would be surprised if more than 10 could be dedicated to an attack
me: So how many spears would we need?
Fintourist: 6 should be enough for the first wave..
me: Any way to stop the pillaging?
Fintourist: out 1-mover stack will be there almost in time
if we have peace with suttree, no problem
me: Yep
So the plan is offer war-peace to Suttree
Fintourist: I think yes
and 10g + world map
me: then put hammers into spears in A,B, C, G
Fintourist: do you want to already do it?
me: Just enough that they can be whipped...
Fintourist: can we wait one turn and see if suttree accepts?
me: We need them by eot 131
So yes
But does Suttree accepting change Macks possible plans?
Fintourist: in what way?
do you want him to attack or what? :D
me: I'm getting to be the paranoid one now!
What other reason is there for roading that tile?
And having OBs with Suttree
Fintourist: OBs for friendliness and future money
road for future attack and worker micro?
me: Dunno about that... OB's for future attack I'm saying
Fintourist: maybe..

Over in the east we used the DOW to have a good look at Madrid:


And then offered this back: