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Tides of War, a balance mod

I've closed the initial feedback form - thanks everyone who used it!

The least popular mod change, by my evaluation, was the new version of The Colossus. I agree, I'm not excited about it either. Anyone have any ideas for it? I can't think of anything that I really like mechanically which isn't a really big change.

The new naval mechanics were looked at with some skepticism and uncertainty. I'm not sure about them myself, but I believe there's more to them than people are thinking. This is definitely a change that needs to be tried out in practice.

People liked the 50% wonder modifiers and the always-available workboats quite a bit, and that there weren't all that many changes. The trait rebalancing went over pretty well, too. Amusingly, multiple people thought that PRO was the best trait while multiple others thought it was the worst. Same for AGR. Makes sense of course: we haven't played with them so it's hard to precisely evaluate their strength.

The main things I'm looking at right now are:
1) Trait balance.
2) Civ balance. The initial version didn't have many civ-specific changes, but I think a few more are needed. This is going to be hard, and I'll probably run some ideas past people before taking any action.
3) Colossus. No one liked this version and it's totally understandable.
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Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 16th, 2013, 14:51
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Commodore - December 16th, 2013, 14:56
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Krill - December 16th, 2013, 15:22
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Bobchillingworth - December 16th, 2013, 15:26
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Qgqqqqq - December 16th, 2013, 15:28
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by novice - December 16th, 2013, 15:29
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Krill - December 16th, 2013, 16:04
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Mardoc - December 16th, 2013, 16:17
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 16th, 2013, 16:19
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 16th, 2013, 16:25
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 16th, 2013, 16:26
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Krill - December 16th, 2013, 16:34
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 16th, 2013, 16:56
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Ichabod - December 16th, 2013, 16:47
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Catwalk - December 16th, 2013, 16:49
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by plako - December 16th, 2013, 16:54
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Krill - December 16th, 2013, 16:56
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by plako - December 16th, 2013, 17:01
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by WilliamLP - December 16th, 2013, 17:00
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Krill - December 16th, 2013, 17:02
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 16th, 2013, 17:09
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 16th, 2013, 17:05
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by plako - December 16th, 2013, 17:11
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Krill - December 16th, 2013, 17:13
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Commodore - December 16th, 2013, 17:30
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 16th, 2013, 17:44
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Commodore - December 16th, 2013, 17:32
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Bacchus - December 16th, 2013, 17:47
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 16th, 2013, 18:33
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Krill - December 16th, 2013, 18:39
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Bobchillingworth - December 16th, 2013, 18:50
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 16th, 2013, 19:13
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 16th, 2013, 19:22
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 16th, 2013, 23:25
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by NobleHelium - December 17th, 2013, 00:30
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Sian - December 17th, 2013, 01:18
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 17th, 2013, 01:23
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 17th, 2013, 01:51
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by TheHumanHydra - December 17th, 2013, 11:13
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 17th, 2013, 13:39
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 17th, 2013, 13:43
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by TheHumanHydra - December 17th, 2013, 14:22
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 17th, 2013, 19:09
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 17th, 2013, 20:55
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Catwalk - December 18th, 2013, 00:30
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Tredje - December 18th, 2013, 07:04
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 18th, 2013, 07:15
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Commodore - December 18th, 2013, 08:57
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 18th, 2013, 16:10
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Sian - December 18th, 2013, 17:01
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Azoth - December 19th, 2013, 15:45
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Bacchus - December 18th, 2013, 09:28
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Sian - December 18th, 2013, 09:31
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Gaspar - December 18th, 2013, 11:03
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by WilliamLP - December 18th, 2013, 11:09
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Krill - December 18th, 2013, 17:11
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Catwalk - December 18th, 2013, 17:31
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Sian - December 19th, 2013, 15:58
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by novice - December 19th, 2013, 15:59
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Sian - December 19th, 2013, 16:14
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by suttree - December 19th, 2013, 19:25
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 19th, 2013, 19:32
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Gaspar - December 19th, 2013, 20:32
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 25th, 2013, 18:20
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Catwalk - December 25th, 2013, 18:27
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 25th, 2013, 18:35
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Cyneheard - December 25th, 2013, 19:09
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Catwalk - December 25th, 2013, 18:47
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Gaspar - December 25th, 2013, 22:33
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by antisocialmunky - December 26th, 2013, 00:30
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 26th, 2013, 01:01
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Kristian95 - December 26th, 2013, 21:06
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by NobleHelium - December 26th, 2013, 21:10
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by zakalwe - December 27th, 2013, 04:37
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Ceiliazul - December 27th, 2013, 02:00
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 27th, 2013, 02:10
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by dtay - December 27th, 2013, 03:07
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - December 27th, 2013, 03:27
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by dtay - December 27th, 2013, 04:10
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Krill - December 27th, 2013, 08:45
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by zakalwe - December 27th, 2013, 10:19
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Gaspar - December 27th, 2013, 13:31
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by superjm - December 27th, 2013, 14:01
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Catwalk - December 27th, 2013, 14:35
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - February 13th, 2014, 16:30
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Krill - February 13th, 2014, 16:44
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Old Harry - February 13th, 2014, 19:22
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - February 13th, 2014, 20:27
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by WilliamLP - February 14th, 2014, 00:01
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - February 14th, 2014, 01:41
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by NobleHelium - February 14th, 2014, 00:06
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Ceiliazul - February 14th, 2014, 00:10
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by pindicator - February 14th, 2014, 00:52
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by NobleHelium - February 14th, 2014, 02:00
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Old Harry - February 14th, 2014, 03:14
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by flugauto - February 14th, 2014, 12:28
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Ceiliazul - February 14th, 2014, 12:47
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Hashoosh - February 14th, 2014, 22:19
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Catwalk - February 15th, 2014, 07:01
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by flugauto - February 15th, 2014, 12:05
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Catwalk - February 15th, 2014, 12:48
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by flugauto - February 15th, 2014, 13:13
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by WilliamLP - February 15th, 2014, 12:20
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Catwalk - February 15th, 2014, 13:30
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Qgqqqqq - February 15th, 2014, 13:39
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Catwalk - February 15th, 2014, 14:39
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - March 12th, 2014, 00:03
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Ceiliazul - March 12th, 2014, 00:19
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - March 12th, 2014, 00:39
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by NobleHelium - March 12th, 2014, 00:54
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by novice - March 12th, 2014, 02:14
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - March 12th, 2014, 02:24
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Bacchus - March 12th, 2014, 09:01
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - March 12th, 2014, 13:40
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by yuris125 - March 13th, 2014, 05:28
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by NobleHelium - March 12th, 2014, 23:56
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Gaspar - March 13th, 2014, 01:49
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - March 13th, 2014, 02:15
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by NobleHelium - March 13th, 2014, 02:34
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Ceiliazul - March 13th, 2014, 09:31
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Gaspar - March 13th, 2014, 13:12
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by yuris125 - March 13th, 2014, 05:30
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Krill - March 13th, 2014, 05:39
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by TheHumanHydra - March 13th, 2014, 09:25
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by pindicator - March 13th, 2014, 10:04
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by pindicator - March 13th, 2014, 14:46
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - March 13th, 2014, 15:03
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Krill - March 20th, 2014, 16:45
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - March 13th, 2014, 15:27
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Gaspar - March 13th, 2014, 16:51
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - March 13th, 2014, 17:04
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - March 13th, 2014, 16:48
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - March 13th, 2014, 17:19
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Gaspar - March 13th, 2014, 19:39
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Ceiliazul - March 13th, 2014, 21:56
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by NobleHelium - March 13th, 2014, 20:55
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - March 13th, 2014, 22:37
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - March 16th, 2014, 19:38
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by pindicator - March 16th, 2014, 20:59
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - March 19th, 2014, 01:51
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - March 20th, 2014, 16:12
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - March 20th, 2014, 17:37
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Krill - March 20th, 2014, 17:59
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - March 20th, 2014, 18:09
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - March 22nd, 2014, 04:10
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Kuro - April 4th, 2014, 15:44
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - April 4th, 2014, 18:27
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Kuro - April 4th, 2014, 19:55
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Lord Parkin - April 4th, 2014, 20:21
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by GermanJoey - April 5th, 2014, 02:41
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Lord Parkin - April 5th, 2014, 02:57
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by GermanJoey - April 5th, 2014, 13:25
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Kuro - April 5th, 2014, 15:10
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Brian Shanahan - April 9th, 2014, 06:48
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by GermanJoey - April 10th, 2014, 01:19
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - April 5th, 2014, 03:05
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Kuro - April 5th, 2014, 04:26
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by plako - April 5th, 2014, 04:31
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Kuro - April 5th, 2014, 04:50
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by GermanJoey - April 6th, 2014, 04:46
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Kuro - April 9th, 2014, 14:56
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - April 9th, 2014, 18:14
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by WilliamLP - April 10th, 2014, 14:55
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by pindicator - April 9th, 2014, 17:37
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Kuro - April 9th, 2014, 17:48
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Bobchillingworth - April 9th, 2014, 18:14
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Kuro - April 9th, 2014, 18:22
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by NobleHelium - April 10th, 2014, 02:13
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by GermanJoey - April 10th, 2014, 05:01
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Lord Parkin - April 12th, 2014, 19:49
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Kuro - April 12th, 2014, 21:27
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - April 12th, 2014, 21:40
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Lord Parkin - April 13th, 2014, 00:59
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Lord Parkin - April 13th, 2014, 18:40
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by GermanJoey - April 16th, 2014, 20:21
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Kuro - April 16th, 2014, 22:01
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by GermanJoey - April 16th, 2014, 22:50
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Lord Parkin - April 17th, 2014, 05:26
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - April 17th, 2014, 05:31
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Lord Parkin - April 17th, 2014, 05:46
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Commodore - April 17th, 2014, 06:14
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Lord Parkin - April 17th, 2014, 06:18
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - April 17th, 2014, 07:08
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Lord Parkin - April 17th, 2014, 08:27
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - June 20th, 2014, 23:13
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by NobleHelium - June 21st, 2014, 02:00
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by GermanJoey - June 21st, 2014, 04:25
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Lord Parkin - June 21st, 2014, 07:27
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by WilliamLP - June 21st, 2014, 13:37
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Lord Parkin - June 21st, 2014, 16:23
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Bacchus - June 21st, 2014, 14:59
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Lord Parkin - June 21st, 2014, 16:16
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by GermanJoey - June 21st, 2014, 16:48
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Lord Parkin - June 21st, 2014, 16:53
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Krill - June 21st, 2014, 17:13
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - June 22nd, 2014, 07:16
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Commodore - June 21st, 2014, 17:24
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - June 22nd, 2014, 07:41
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by WilliamLP - June 22nd, 2014, 08:10
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Lord Parkin - June 22nd, 2014, 18:05
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by WilliamLP - June 22nd, 2014, 18:51
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - June 23rd, 2014, 02:01
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Bacchus - June 21st, 2014, 20:38
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - June 22nd, 2014, 07:52
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Krill - June 22nd, 2014, 07:36
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - June 22nd, 2014, 07:42
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Bacchus - June 22nd, 2014, 12:18
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Gaspar - June 22nd, 2014, 13:00
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Commodore - June 22nd, 2014, 19:02
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - June 23rd, 2014, 02:19
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by GermanJoey - June 22nd, 2014, 19:10
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by T-hawk - June 23rd, 2014, 09:25
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - June 23rd, 2014, 13:11
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by zakalwe - July 11th, 2014, 04:14
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Lord Parkin - July 11th, 2014, 04:24
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by NobleHelium - August 12th, 2014, 21:09
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Krill - August 13th, 2014, 04:36
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - August 13th, 2014, 04:38
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Commodore - August 13th, 2014, 09:00
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - October 22nd, 2014, 15:59
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by SevenSpirits - September 24th, 2015, 21:32
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Asterix - November 8th, 2014, 16:00
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by GermanJoey - November 9th, 2014, 02:09
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Asterix - November 9th, 2014, 23:56
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by chumchu - May 2nd, 2016, 08:59
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by greenline - May 16th, 2016, 21:46
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by chumchu - May 17th, 2016, 08:17
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by chumchu - May 16th, 2016, 09:32
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by NobleHelium - July 2nd, 2016, 06:06
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by kjn - March 21st, 2017, 14:31
RE: Tides of War, a balance mod - by Tasunke - April 18th, 2017, 18:13

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