Yeah, just as a clarification as lurkers probably haven't read everything in this thread: I assume that suttree does not really think that our thought process has gone as described in chapters 7,10,12,14 and he just wanted to ridicule us. Unless he really considers us as idiots (as OH pointed out).
- First of all comparison between Nakor & m_h & suttree behaviour is broken, those were 3 totally different cases, comparing suttree & Dhalphir & TBS is IMO more relevant as those follow the formula:
1. early attack to weaken and grab more land
2. destroy later
(of course they are also different and I'm interested in finding out why or should I just take Nassim Taleb Black Swan approach and stop trying to search causalities)
- We did not live in illusion that our later attacks at suttree were somehow clever and we did not leave mack out of the equation (you can find a post before both attacks where we consider it more likely that mack will be the one benefitting from it). The fact is that after m_h was swallowed we also lived in (and still live) in our own mountain of poop, and our preferred way to play is try to improve our position even by trying something desparate (like our incoming Ichabod attack) instead of waiting and dying. There were no really attractive openings elsewhere and it would have been difficult to start a war elsewhere when you have 50 units on our border so we considered attacking suttree the best of bad options. It was a long shot, but at least we tried to give suttree (and mack) a chance to make mistakes
- Remember also that as we lived also in poop time was not on our side, it was on mack's side, he was and is running away with the game. We did not have the luxury to wait until mack initiates the war and maybe draws suttree's units (more of that later), or well, sure we could have waited, but again we prefer to try something instead of slowly dying (note that the difference in this behaviour compared to suttree trying to kill us 50 turns ago is that now there is no peaceful land available and military expansion is the only expansion method while suttree could have continued expansion towards east if he had wanted after our initial attack)
- Yeah, that peace treaty thing, of course we understand why suttree did it and it's not like we asked for admin decision or anything, it was a defensible choice and within suttrees rights to do. It does not mean that we have to find it especially delightful. Put yourself into our position, a city is guarded by 11 lbows and 9 spears, that's not a weak defense, and then it gets gifted to your neighbor. Yeah..
To be honest, I think there only was one city and pile of poop anyways available unless mack is asleep or generous. You did not defend your southern cities and if Mack had taken them and even left them without city garrison I don't think you would have taken them back and just stayed in Madrid. As you stated, he was your powerful friend and you had given up on game 10 chapters earlier. Well, that's something we won't ever find out.
- First of all comparison between Nakor & m_h & suttree behaviour is broken, those were 3 totally different cases, comparing suttree & Dhalphir & TBS is IMO more relevant as those follow the formula:
1. early attack to weaken and grab more land
2. destroy later
(of course they are also different and I'm interested in finding out why or should I just take Nassim Taleb Black Swan approach and stop trying to search causalities)
- We did not live in illusion that our later attacks at suttree were somehow clever and we did not leave mack out of the equation (you can find a post before both attacks where we consider it more likely that mack will be the one benefitting from it). The fact is that after m_h was swallowed we also lived in (and still live) in our own mountain of poop, and our preferred way to play is try to improve our position even by trying something desparate (like our incoming Ichabod attack) instead of waiting and dying. There were no really attractive openings elsewhere and it would have been difficult to start a war elsewhere when you have 50 units on our border so we considered attacking suttree the best of bad options. It was a long shot, but at least we tried to give suttree (and mack) a chance to make mistakes
- Remember also that as we lived also in poop time was not on our side, it was on mack's side, he was and is running away with the game. We did not have the luxury to wait until mack initiates the war and maybe draws suttree's units (more of that later), or well, sure we could have waited, but again we prefer to try something instead of slowly dying (note that the difference in this behaviour compared to suttree trying to kill us 50 turns ago is that now there is no peaceful land available and military expansion is the only expansion method while suttree could have continued expansion towards east if he had wanted after our initial attack)
- Yeah, that peace treaty thing, of course we understand why suttree did it and it's not like we asked for admin decision or anything, it was a defensible choice and within suttrees rights to do. It does not mean that we have to find it especially delightful. Put yourself into our position, a city is guarded by 11 lbows and 9 spears, that's not a weak defense, and then it gets gifted to your neighbor. Yeah..
Quote:If FinHarry attacked, they would get one city and a pile of poop.
If they waited for Mackoti to attack, they would get one city without a pile of poop.
Can you guess which one they chose?
To be honest, I think there only was one city and pile of poop anyways available unless mack is asleep or generous. You did not defend your southern cities and if Mack had taken them and even left them without city garrison I don't think you would have taken them back and just stayed in Madrid. As you stated, he was your powerful friend and you had given up on game 10 chapters earlier. Well, that's something we won't ever find out.