Aaand lets add some content.. Here are our first reactions to our pairing along with some spam. Mild PB13 spoilers, but well, nothing really:
I think our thread spamming tactics will be a strong early expansion followed by growing tall via more interesting but not so frequent reports (as if I could avoid spam-ranting).
Fintourist:
hey!
I survived my exam.. tomorrow the next one
has suttree's pretty annoying post or anything else changed your feelings about PB18?
Old Harry:
Hi there!
Sorry, been out swimming
Fintourist:
no problem!
applied mathematics + hangover today!
a good combo
Old Harry:
I actually really liked Suttree's post - we're never going to see eye-to-eye over this game, but at least it tells us why he did what he did.
Sounds painful!
Fintourist:
yeah, obviously his post was not too flattering and you no that I'm a bit quick.tempered..
Old Harry:
He was a bit abusive, but I thought he shared it out between both sides...
Fintourist:
know*
that's true, tweedlers and monkeys..
Old Harry:
Its your most endearing trait other than solid micro...
I'm way too easy going, so I think we compliment each other!
Fintourist:
well, I don't want make anyone to hate you because I rant about everything..
Old Harry:
Ha! I think everyone gets bored of my reasonable weighing of the arguments and and only reads for your rants!
Fintourist:
at least I share my feelings!
Old Harry:
Anyway, Vicky of Aztec is pretty exciting - economic trait and expansion trait...
What do you think?
Fintourist:
yep, it's solid
so you're still interested in a new game?
Old Harry:
Also I imagine that played well Sacraficial alters should be brilliant
Fintourist:
assuming time management works as we discussed?
Old Harry:
Yeah, so long as you play the first couple of months, I'll take over when you get too busy...
Fintourist:
SA is a good UU, but its nerfed because of nerfed whipping
Old Harry:
Or more useful because of nerfed whipping...
Fintourist:
UB*
I like it mostly because it's 90 hammers while courthouse is 120
Old Harry:
That too
Fintourist:
but if we don't have as much happiness as in PB13, reduced whip clock can be useful too
Old Harry:
also we could get a Woody III super medic easy with Jaguars...
The only thing we need is lots of food.
Fintourist:
yeah, and jaguars should have +50 % city attack, so woody 2 jaguars can be quite sneaky
(because of change in sword attributes in new RBMod version)
Old Harry:
Oh yeah...
Fintourist:
assuming we did not learn anything from suttree and still are aggressive in early game
Old Harry:
Crappy starting techs though
Fintourist:
yeah, although RBMod has improved hunting
but yeah, we want pigs
Old Harry:
we need pigs, sheep or cows at the start
Fintourist:
Old Harry:
(I just rolled a sandbox to play in and got two plains cows)
Fintourist:
and we really want a bureaucracy capital this time, because FIN is still all about cottages
Old Harry:
Yep, if we start on the coast we might even need to wander
Fintourist:
mmmaybe, probably it just screws us though
there must be something good visible
Old Harry:
I wonder if Commodore is hand-crafting the whole lot or using a script?
Fintourist:
no idea..
FIN and SA kind of work well together: we work cottages instead of mines -> we grow faster -> we can whip more
IMP should help us nicely early, we just need immediately some cottages so that we can keep expanding and still get Currency and CoL early, whicl allow us to continue pushing
Old Harry:
With IMP we want to get to currency pretty quick, but if we go that way someone is bound to get CoL via Priesthood quicker.
Fintourist:
ha, we think very similarly :D
Old Harry:
So no confucianism...
lets just try to adopt a neighbour's religion
Fintourist:
33 person game, religion is difficult
Old Harry:
this time
Fintourist:
if our start has pigs everywhere we can consider meditation first
but I won't say definite no for CoL via Priesthood, but there is no guarantee that we would get Confu and trade routes are probably stronger boost than SAs
Old Harry:
I should play PB13 now, but I want to experiment with Vicky...
Fintourist:
ha, we will have time for that! There are so many things that still need to happen before 33 players play T0
Btw, the fact that Commodore published everyone's pairs mean that you know what leaders are still in the deck. There are leaders such as Pacal, Sury and Hammurabi who are not assigned (I like hammurabi), overall I'm satisfied with our combo so probably no reason to risk a reroll though.
Old Harry:
I was a bit surprised he published it publicly. Hammurabi would be pretty good on a big torroid
but do the traits mesh or get in each other's way?
Fintourist:
with hammurabi? well a bit, ORG reduces civic costs, AGG city maintenance so there is no antisynergy. However courthouse has anti-synergy with AGG (it's only -37.5 % building). 60 hammer building for -37.5 % reduction is still reasonable though.
Old Harry:
Ah, well I'm happy with our combo (although I'll miss SPI). Okay, I'll go play the turn now and bother you if I think of any other questions...
Fintourist:
sure! I'll be there! FIN/IMP is a lot more boring than AGG/SPI, but I'm sure we manage to amuse ourselves
Fintourist:
hey one question, should I announce that we are hoping for a ded-lurker who can play couple of turns? I'm pretty sure THH can't do it
Old Harry:
I think other teams are going to need the help more - if neither of us can get to it we could ask Commodore or Sulla to play for us.
But there will be no harm asking.
Fintourist:
yeah, maybe some anonymous guy, who has been lurking a while but not created an account
Old Harry:
Sure, that would be good
Fintourist:
ok, I probably type something later today or tomorrow
Fintourist:
and while I'm spamming: we need a clever thread name!
"Old Tourists stroll into the land of poop, again"
Old Harry:
Full of poop?
Fintourist:
sure
I'm trusting you to come up with something more clever though
Old Harry:
I'll see what I can do...
(ie fat chance)
hey!
I survived my exam.. tomorrow the next one
has suttree's pretty annoying post or anything else changed your feelings about PB18?
Old Harry:
Hi there!
Sorry, been out swimming
Fintourist:
no problem!
applied mathematics + hangover today!
a good combo
Old Harry:
I actually really liked Suttree's post - we're never going to see eye-to-eye over this game, but at least it tells us why he did what he did.
Sounds painful!
Fintourist:
yeah, obviously his post was not too flattering and you no that I'm a bit quick.tempered..
Old Harry:
He was a bit abusive, but I thought he shared it out between both sides...
Fintourist:
know*
that's true, tweedlers and monkeys..
Old Harry:
Its your most endearing trait other than solid micro...
I'm way too easy going, so I think we compliment each other!
Fintourist:
well, I don't want make anyone to hate you because I rant about everything..
Old Harry:
Ha! I think everyone gets bored of my reasonable weighing of the arguments and and only reads for your rants!
Fintourist:
at least I share my feelings!
Old Harry:
Anyway, Vicky of Aztec is pretty exciting - economic trait and expansion trait...
What do you think?
Fintourist:
yep, it's solid
so you're still interested in a new game?
Old Harry:
Also I imagine that played well Sacraficial alters should be brilliant
Fintourist:
assuming time management works as we discussed?
Old Harry:
Yeah, so long as you play the first couple of months, I'll take over when you get too busy...
Fintourist:
SA is a good UU, but its nerfed because of nerfed whipping
Old Harry:
Or more useful because of nerfed whipping...
Fintourist:
UB*
I like it mostly because it's 90 hammers while courthouse is 120
Old Harry:
That too
Fintourist:
but if we don't have as much happiness as in PB13, reduced whip clock can be useful too
Old Harry:
also we could get a Woody III super medic easy with Jaguars...
The only thing we need is lots of food.
Fintourist:
yeah, and jaguars should have +50 % city attack, so woody 2 jaguars can be quite sneaky
(because of change in sword attributes in new RBMod version)
Old Harry:
Oh yeah...
Fintourist:
assuming we did not learn anything from suttree and still are aggressive in early game
Old Harry:
Crappy starting techs though
Fintourist:
yeah, although RBMod has improved hunting
but yeah, we want pigs
Old Harry:
we need pigs, sheep or cows at the start
Fintourist:
Old Harry:
(I just rolled a sandbox to play in and got two plains cows)
Fintourist:
and we really want a bureaucracy capital this time, because FIN is still all about cottages
Old Harry:
Yep, if we start on the coast we might even need to wander
Fintourist:
mmmaybe, probably it just screws us though
there must be something good visible
Old Harry:
I wonder if Commodore is hand-crafting the whole lot or using a script?
Fintourist:
no idea..
FIN and SA kind of work well together: we work cottages instead of mines -> we grow faster -> we can whip more
IMP should help us nicely early, we just need immediately some cottages so that we can keep expanding and still get Currency and CoL early, whicl allow us to continue pushing
Old Harry:
With IMP we want to get to currency pretty quick, but if we go that way someone is bound to get CoL via Priesthood quicker.
Fintourist:
ha, we think very similarly :D
Old Harry:
So no confucianism...
lets just try to adopt a neighbour's religion
Fintourist:
33 person game, religion is difficult
Old Harry:
this time
Fintourist:
if our start has pigs everywhere we can consider meditation first
but I won't say definite no for CoL via Priesthood, but there is no guarantee that we would get Confu and trade routes are probably stronger boost than SAs
Old Harry:
I should play PB13 now, but I want to experiment with Vicky...
Fintourist:
ha, we will have time for that! There are so many things that still need to happen before 33 players play T0
Btw, the fact that Commodore published everyone's pairs mean that you know what leaders are still in the deck. There are leaders such as Pacal, Sury and Hammurabi who are not assigned (I like hammurabi), overall I'm satisfied with our combo so probably no reason to risk a reroll though.
Old Harry:
I was a bit surprised he published it publicly. Hammurabi would be pretty good on a big torroid
but do the traits mesh or get in each other's way?
Fintourist:
with hammurabi? well a bit, ORG reduces civic costs, AGG city maintenance so there is no antisynergy. However courthouse has anti-synergy with AGG (it's only -37.5 % building). 60 hammer building for -37.5 % reduction is still reasonable though.
Old Harry:
Ah, well I'm happy with our combo (although I'll miss SPI). Okay, I'll go play the turn now and bother you if I think of any other questions...
Fintourist:
sure! I'll be there! FIN/IMP is a lot more boring than AGG/SPI, but I'm sure we manage to amuse ourselves
Fintourist:
hey one question, should I announce that we are hoping for a ded-lurker who can play couple of turns? I'm pretty sure THH can't do it
Old Harry:
I think other teams are going to need the help more - if neither of us can get to it we could ask Commodore or Sulla to play for us.
But there will be no harm asking.
Fintourist:
yeah, maybe some anonymous guy, who has been lurking a while but not created an account
Old Harry:
Sure, that would be good
Fintourist:
ok, I probably type something later today or tomorrow
Fintourist:
and while I'm spamming: we need a clever thread name!
"Old Tourists stroll into the land of poop, again"
Old Harry:
Full of poop?
Fintourist:
sure
I'm trusting you to come up with something more clever though
Old Harry:
I'll see what I can do...
(ie fat chance)
I think our thread spamming tactics will be a strong early expansion followed by growing tall via more interesting but not so frequent reports (as if I could avoid spam-ranting).