Hey, huge thanks for the analysis and good work! If I have time before our GA I would love to:
a) calculate how many adjusted beakers a Great Scientist currently brings with this size of an empire
b) calculate the value of a GA for us (extra commerce + hammers, and some sort of qualitative valuation of GPP and civic switch benefits)
c) calculate the opportunity cost of generating a Great Person vs. growing on coastal tiles (using different GPP limits), e.g. by using Seven's point system and estimated discount rate
... unfortunately I can't promise I get to that due to social life during the weekend and work.. But we'll see
Probably true, but speeding up SoL by a turn is already worth couple hundred beakers and Wall Street in Alfie also brings more than 200 gold per money-saving turn. I haven't calculated this, but if OR speeds up those builds by a turn it already compensates for a decent amount of GPP.
There is one thing I really like reg this view and one thing I don't:
- What I don't like: I think there is a scene in "fast & furios" where one guy is in a car race and he uses his nitrous oxide super boost too early and ends up losing the race due to his impatience. I don't want us to end up doing the same. Known-tech bonus is a real thing in this game, 8 % per person knowing the tech, which means that maintaining a possible lead isn't as easy as it would be in base BTS.
- What I like: Rifles and Cavalries will be a significant improvement for us, but we already saw that they aren't an automatic win button against someone like pindicator. However, if we can reach the next level of military level quickly (infantry etc.) there might still be time to convert that lead into more land, which actually manages to pay back for itself and help us winning this thing.
Yeah, Communism might actually be a completely blank tech for us in this game. I mean, e.g. the hammer bonus from SP could be useful in the very late game and if everyone closes borders with us Free Market becomes weaker, etc., but I can see us skipping Communism altogether. Where to get the 4th type of Great Person is a real challenge though, I like your idea of mixing it up in Gertie. Spending a load of beakers just for a Great Spy would obviously be a bad deal.
I don't still have a complete counter-proposal ready for you, but I think your plan could work. However, I would probably remove either My Finger or Lucky from the equation and aim at max 7 self-generated Great Persons. Getting an extra bulb at ~T250 instead of earlier benefits does not sound on theoretical level too attractive. I come back to these...
a) calculate how many adjusted beakers a Great Scientist currently brings with this size of an empire
b) calculate the value of a GA for us (extra commerce + hammers, and some sort of qualitative valuation of GPP and civic switch benefits)
c) calculate the opportunity cost of generating a Great Person vs. growing on coastal tiles (using different GPP limits), e.g. by using Seven's point system and estimated discount rate
... unfortunately I can't promise I get to that due to social life during the weekend and work.. But we'll see
Quote:1. I don't think we're building much infra (other than SoL) in the Golden Age, mostly boats and Rifles/Cav.
Probably true, but speeding up SoL by a turn is already worth couple hundred beakers and Wall Street in Alfie also brings more than 200 gold per money-saving turn. I haven't calculated this, but if OR speeds up those builds by a turn it already compensates for a decent amount of GPP.
Quote:2. We're at the biggest size we're likely to be for a while, so I'd like to run two GA's as close to back-to-back as possible to try and push us far enough into the lead that we can go conquering again or force a concession...
There is one thing I really like reg this view and one thing I don't:
- What I don't like: I think there is a scene in "fast & furios" where one guy is in a car race and he uses his nitrous oxide super boost too early and ends up losing the race due to his impatience.
I don't want us to end up doing the same. Known-tech bonus is a real thing in this game, 8 % per person knowing the tech, which means that maintaining a possible lead isn't as easy as it would be in base BTS.- What I like: Rifles and Cavalries will be a significant improvement for us, but we already saw that they aren't an automatic win button against someone like pindicator. However, if we can reach the next level of military level quickly (infantry etc.) there might still be time to convert that lead into more land, which actually manages to pay back for itself and help us winning this thing.
(January 9th, 2015, 03:42)Old Harry Wrote: We could try to win the Communism Spy for the 4 GA, but I don't think we'll want to switch to SP will we?
Yeah, Communism might actually be a completely blank tech for us in this game. I mean, e.g. the hammer bonus from SP could be useful in the very late game and if everyone closes borders with us Free Market becomes weaker, etc., but I can see us skipping Communism altogether. Where to get the 4th type of Great Person is a real challenge though, I like your idea of mixing it up in Gertie. Spending a load of beakers just for a Great Spy would obviously be a bad deal.
I don't still have a complete counter-proposal ready for you, but I think your plan could work. However, I would probably remove either My Finger or Lucky from the equation and aim at max 7 self-generated Great Persons. Getting an extra bulb at ~T250 instead of earlier benefits does not sound on theoretical level too attractive. I come back to these...