meatbalz Wrote:i think we're on the same page but i don't really understand a couple of your objections? starting from your last point - how do we turn our scouting info to our advantage if we tell other civs [who we meet + how to meet them] for free? that's valuable info and we should be entitled to something in return.
working upwards - i didn't mention exchange of screenshots. i said that a possible way to even up the information sharing would be for THEM to share their screenshots with us
I'm just not sure how you're going to leverage our advantage in that way. They're going to give us screenshots of THEIR land, and in exchange, we'll give them information about the location of other teams? Not really a confidence building exchange... Our advantage is that we'll meet the other teams first (getting the tech discount) and having lots of options where to place our second city.
meatbalz Wrote:you're very correct on zara's traitsnevertheless i stand by my prior statement that getting into a settler race with a CRE opponents is a losing proposition. even if you settle your desired location first, they can plop a city next to it and win the culture battle.
Don't forget that this isn't Single Player, where you can just plop your city next to the AI's and wait till it flips. IF the Ottomans would make such a move, I'd consider it an act of war and reason for us to bring them a visit, with pointy swords!
meatbalz Wrote:as far as a settler plan - the very first thing i said was it's too early, so we're in agreement therei think i mentioned a couple of times i'd like to see how things go diplomatically before progressing negotiations. but again i stand by my thinking that if - at some point in the next 20-30 turns - we're able to extract info on the land between our civs and their NAP offer is still on the table, it would be in our interests to agree to it in conjunction with a settlement plan.
I agree
meatbalz Wrote:i think the first diplo message following the standard official greetings sets the tone for the relationship so it's very important (and a great sign of cooperation) that we're discussing it in depth among ussince we're the ones who initiated discussions, we can use our message to set the tone.
Most definately!