I don't think ranking them in isolation is useful as there are a lot of factors making them stronger or weaker. Also in previous games I've valued them all lower than settlers (I built Oracle in the demogame because that was already the plan when I took over then barely built Colossus before I obsoleted it, in PBEM46 being India made wonder-whoring a whole lot easier). That said, in a game this size I think the risk pays off better than PB13/18/27 size games.
Here I expect my land is worse than my local neighbours (hopefully I don't start between Gavagai and REM
) and I'm really starved for early happy and I'm looking for a way to leverage PHI to get a decent tech position around Guilds, Gunpowder or Riffling so Pyramids seems like the solution to that. Grabbing them without expanding hard would be a problem though, so I think I'll have to delay them (BTW just got them eot59 in my sandbox). After that I'd really like the Great Library, then if I get a GE from the pyramids I could rush something else, but not sure if MoM or something else will be available. If I'm concentrating on specialists then the Parthenon could be handy.
Anyway, a ranking (based on this game) with plenty of (but probably not enough) caveats:
- Great Lighthouse (if you've got lots of coastal cities) BANNED HERE
- Pyramids (if stuck for happy or PHI or SPI or you have stone/gt engineer, drop a place for each missing criteria)
- MoM (suits a PHI civ, but I doubt I'd win the race to get it and wouldn't risk expansion for it after the Pyramids)
- The Great Library (bump down a couple of places if not PHI)
- Stonehenge (similar to CRE I think good dotmapping solves a lot of border pop problems, but its really cheap so if it hasn't gone by t70 would be a good build)
- Oracle (should get early religion so up a couple of places in an >=18 player game)
- Colossus (nice, but makes it tempting to neglect Astro - see dtay in PB18)
- Notre Dame (by this point you normally have sufficient happy, but in this game I might be tempted so bump down in any other game)
- Parthenon (meh, if you're running specialists its got its use, bump down if not PHI or Pyramids)
- Sistine (if you're going for a culture win bump up about nine places)
- Ankor Wat (if you need a shrine for your well-spread religion bump up about four places)
- Statue of Zeus (if you're hoping war weariness will deter your opponents you're already losing
)
- Hanging Gardens (useful for engineer points, rarely available late enough to justify the cost, especially if HAK is playing, bump up if IMP or EXP)
- Chicken Pizza (see SoZ)
- TOA (just no)
I hope that's all clear.
Here I expect my land is worse than my local neighbours (hopefully I don't start between Gavagai and REM
) and I'm really starved for early happy and I'm looking for a way to leverage PHI to get a decent tech position around Guilds, Gunpowder or Riffling so Pyramids seems like the solution to that. Grabbing them without expanding hard would be a problem though, so I think I'll have to delay them (BTW just got them eot59 in my sandbox). After that I'd really like the Great Library, then if I get a GE from the pyramids I could rush something else, but not sure if MoM or something else will be available. If I'm concentrating on specialists then the Parthenon could be handy.Anyway, a ranking (based on this game) with plenty of (but probably not enough) caveats:
- Great Lighthouse (if you've got lots of coastal cities) BANNED HERE
- Pyramids (if stuck for happy or PHI or SPI or you have stone/gt engineer, drop a place for each missing criteria)
- MoM (suits a PHI civ, but I doubt I'd win the race to get it and wouldn't risk expansion for it after the Pyramids)
- The Great Library (bump down a couple of places if not PHI)
- Stonehenge (similar to CRE I think good dotmapping solves a lot of border pop problems, but its really cheap so if it hasn't gone by t70 would be a good build)
- Oracle (should get early religion so up a couple of places in an >=18 player game)
- Colossus (nice, but makes it tempting to neglect Astro - see dtay in PB18)
- Notre Dame (by this point you normally have sufficient happy, but in this game I might be tempted so bump down in any other game)
- Parthenon (meh, if you're running specialists its got its use, bump down if not PHI or Pyramids)
- Sistine (if you're going for a culture win bump up about nine places)
- Ankor Wat (if you need a shrine for your well-spread religion bump up about four places)
- Statue of Zeus (if you're hoping war weariness will deter your opponents you're already losing
) - Hanging Gardens (useful for engineer points, rarely available late enough to justify the cost, especially if HAK is playing, bump up if IMP or EXP)
- Chicken Pizza (see SoZ)
- TOA (just no)
I hope that's all clear.
Completed: RB Demogame - Gillette, PBEM46, Pitboss 13, Pitboss 18, Pitboss 30, Pitboss 31, Pitboss 38, Pitboss 42, Pitboss 46, Pitboss 52 (Pindicator's game), Pitboss 57
In progress: Rimworld
In progress: Rimworld