and not forgetting the question of settling marble city.
here's a critical paragraph explaining how culture is applied:
i.e. once the ottoman city culture expands to 3rd ring, they'll be putting (assuming a library) 4cpt on the tile to our 1cpt. but if we grow to 3rd ring, we'd be putting 21cpt to their 4cpt.
look at it this way: if we expand to 2nd ring at T0 and ottomans to 3rd ring at T20, we'd lose control of the wheat on T26.
if we were to expand to 2nd ring at T0, ottomans to 3rd at T20, but we chopped a library instead of a monument to begin with (theoretically possible as alphabet's due T62 allowing ottos to trade us writing + city 3 per current micro plan gets founded T57-58), we'd lose control of the wheat for only 5 turns before borders popped again on T45
obviously the numbers are very very approximative but bottom line is, to have a good chance at keeping the wheat we need to get the city founded with a good head start to ottomans and then lobby them to front us writing so we can get a library out asap. honestly otherwise the city doesn't make sense as without the wheat we can't work the mines for hammers.
here's a critical paragraph explaining how culture is applied:
Quote:To make sure that that's clear, let me describe it another way. Think of the city's potential cultural area as a series of rings. The first ring consists of the city and the 8 surrounding squares. The second ring contains the other 12 squares of the city's production area, and so on. When the city's cultural level is 1, only the first ring gets the points from the city's CPT. When the city's cultural level reaches 2, both first and second ring get the base CPT and the first ring also gets and additional 20 points a turn, even if the city isn't generating any culture at that time. When the city reaches it's third cultural expansion, The inner 9 squares get an extra 40 points, the next ring gets 20 points and so on. At the highest level of culture, the inner ring gets a whopping 100 extra points of plot culture per turn.
i.e. once the ottoman city culture expands to 3rd ring, they'll be putting (assuming a library) 4cpt on the tile to our 1cpt. but if we grow to 3rd ring, we'd be putting 21cpt to their 4cpt.
look at it this way: if we expand to 2nd ring at T0 and ottomans to 3rd ring at T20, we'd lose control of the wheat on T26.
if we were to expand to 2nd ring at T0, ottomans to 3rd at T20, but we chopped a library instead of a monument to begin with (theoretically possible as alphabet's due T62 allowing ottos to trade us writing + city 3 per current micro plan gets founded T57-58), we'd lose control of the wheat for only 5 turns before borders popped again on T45
obviously the numbers are very very approximative but bottom line is, to have a good chance at keeping the wheat we need to get the city founded with a good head start to ottomans and then lobby them to front us writing so we can get a library out asap. honestly otherwise the city doesn't make sense as without the wheat we can't work the mines for hammers.