Just had a chat with Ottomans, will post it soon. MB no email is needed atm, check the chat. 
and an email from Ruff:
Quote:me: there's something we've wanted to discuss for a while, but things are getting hectic
Ottoman: ok
me: too many contacts...
Ottoman: i know
we will meet india next turn
and then we have 5
11:38 AM
me: we just met Carthage, so I think that puts us at 8-9
Ottoman: we are still catching up though
me: anyway, I wanted to discuss India
a couple of turns ago Rego and I had a chat
11:39 AM
as you know, after the first tech trades within the "Cartel", the alliance will almost certainly fall apart
11:40 AM
India want HRE to form an alliance within the Cartel, together with Aztec
11:41 AM
Ottoman: interesting
me: we haven't committed yet, but will probably join
11:42 AM
Ottoman: are we included or not?
me: well that's what i wanted to ask
i already mentioned you guys to India
Ottoman: we hven't met india yet
23 minutes
12:06 PM
me: can you see me online
got some connection issues
Ottoman: yeah
np though
me: this what i wanted to say:
12:07 PM
but as our favourite neighbours, we would prefer Ottomans to join
this is all confidential you understand
Ottoman: of course
we have to meet india before we can do anything
but we are doing a favor for aztec
me: how so?
12:08 PM
Ottoman: we met last turn
me: not good?
Ottoman: he mentioned that he is in trouble since inca are being hostile and he wants his copper hooked up safely
12:09 PM
so our chariot is going to cover for him if they attack beforehand
me: ah good
Ottoman: inca have a warrior UU nearby his source
12:10 PM
i think aztec would vote for us in too thanks to this
me: our warrior is moving together with Ruffs to Incan land for a lightnigh raid if diplomacy fails
Ottoman: he mentioned that
athough we can't do much more
me: no but we're showing we can be trusted
Ottoman: agree
12:11 PM
me: what we would like to suggest is we join the Alliance
but form an secret "Entente" between Ottomans and HRE
12:12 PM
Ottoman: i would have to consault wit the rest o the team
but persnally, i am not sure how it would work
12:13 PM
me: well, lets say the alliance works for a while after the Cartel splits up
both India and Aztec have experienced MP players
12:14 PM
Ottoman: wait, are you suggesting that we do or don't join?
me: we join ofcourse
Ottoman: us?
me: also
4 team alliance
but within this alliance
Ottoman: ah, i thought that you had no included us
silly me
me: I trust you guys a lot more than India or Aztec
12:15 PM
Ottoman: ok, i think that can work
but what could the 2 of us do above the alliance?
me: nothing initially
12:16 PM
Ottoman: i suppose we could stay allies for the entire game if that is what you mean
me: I'm talking long term
Ottoman: yu mean, if tealliance breaks up
me: exactly
or if they screw us over
12:17 PM
Ottoman: ok, i understand now
i still think aztec could b worthwhile since if we do save them from inca if diplomacy fails, he admits he owes us a huge debt
12:18 PM
but time will tell
me: yeah, i'm not saying we need to diuble cross the others
Ottoman: for now, let's just stay with between us for now
me: *double cross
agreed
12:19 PM
I plan on taking point re diplo with Inca
Ottoman: its ok for the keyboard to be bad, mine fails whenever i chat to anothr team
me: i have a vague plan to stare them down
i will probably tell them that if Inca attacks, they will be dogpiled by three other civs
12:20 PM
don't worry, i don't expect you to send anyting
Ottoman: aren't we bluffing?
me: it would be a bluff
Ottoman: they could call us
me: they could, but then still Aztec would take the brunt of the attack
giving us time to build forecs
but I can be pretty convicing
12:21 PM
what do you think.
?
Ottoman: so, what is your relation to inca? have they been aggresive to you or anything?
me: (I'd like to sic Inca on Rome next door...)
not at all
but I don't like early aggressors
12:22 PM
Ottoman: is Rome next door?
me: east of Inca
to our NE
meatbalz will send you a complete world map soon
12:23 PM
Ottoman: ok, we had our own world map but I made a mistake in it
12:24 PM
we think we know where most of the otherteams are located anyway
or I do at least
me: good
12:25 PM
so do I try the bluff with Inca?
Ottoman: dunno
this early, I think not
me: you're not really at risk
12:26 PM
but discuss it with your team
Ottoman: then again, we haven't met inca yet, so we don't hve anything betweenus yet
me: tell me if you come up with a better idea
Ottoman: have you spoken to aztec about this?
12:27 PM
me: I won't mention the ottomans for now
we haven't met them yet
ah aztec
sorry
not yet
i was planning on sending an email
12:28 PM
anyway, I need to go
Ottoman: ok,will get back to u
me: let's keep Inca question apart for a while
so we agree join Alliance
but keep close to each other
12:29 PM
Ottoman: we han't heard it from anyone else yet, but weprobably will join alliace
me: well after you discuss with the team
Ottoman: agree
me: later buddy
Ottoman: cya
me: exiting times ahead
and an email from Ruff:
Quote:Greetings,
I am sending this to my three alliance members. Inca send me an email continuing my NAP discussion. I short back one that gave them 4 options (even down to a 10t one) and then caught them in chat where I offered a 5t one. Nakor was taking the line that he was only a messenger so I am calling their bluff.
The total dialog is here (http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=138) - that is a link to 1 single entry in my spoiler thread - you have my permission to view it (and only it <grin>).
Cheers,
Ruff