Chat with Ottomans yesterday:
Subject: Alliance Within
To sum up:
- again indicated our preference for long term cooperation with England and Carthage, to keep leverage on India and Egypt.
- Ruff has asked Ottomans to commit this turn and declare on Inca, instead of waiting till TTD
- I was thinking of sending a message to all Cartel members proposing we limit the tech trades to Pottery and Sailing, and only trade Alpha to Ottomans and Portugal respectively to get those techs. I thought that would keep the full Cartel a secret for a little while longer. But I hadn't thought about the mid-game point increases, which will surely be picked up by the Northern and Southern Alliances. What do you think guys?
Subject: Alliance Within
Quote:11:02 PM me: evening
Ottoman: hi
me: i know, mornig for you guys
Ottoman: me anyway
11:03 PM me: I've been trying to formulate a reply to your last message, and I can't seem to get it right
this is what I think
11:04 PM teams like India and Egypt are very experienced
they don't really need us to win the game
they can use our help for the moment
11:05 PM the main reason India wanted us in is that they are worried about Krill and don't want us to end up in his camp
Ottoman: dd they actually say that?
11:06 PM me: no, but they told me they are worried about Krill
and Krill doesn't want us to join with India for the same reasons
11:07 PM Ottoman: well, they are the main 2 camps in the game
me: look I'm not saying we should give up on the Alliace withing
Ottoman: np
11:08 PM me: we just think that long-term, it would be in our interest to join up with our southern neighbours, so the big guys don't have any leverage on us
we'd be dictating the terms of any cooperation
11:09 PM does that make sense?
Ottoman: it does make sense, although it's a bit early to discuss what we actually do
11:10 PM me: well, the only thing we can do is keep engaging with Carthage and England
get to know them
Ottoman: we haven't met England yet :
me: hehe but you will soon
Krill meets them next turn
Ottoman: do you know how soon?
that's good
11:11 PM me: I suggest you ask him to send England's warrior north asap
Ottoman: ok
11:12 PM me: are your chariots nearing Aztec lands?
Ottoman: yep
Dantski thought TTD was t63 though
so maybe they can't help for aother turn
11:13 PM me: yeah I've been thinking we should try and keep the Cartel a secret for a little bit longer
only trade around Pottery and Sailing in the short term
Ottoman: i don't think that works
11:14 PM me: sure it does
Ottoman: as soon asalpha is spread roud, everyone will know who is in it
me: that's why Alpha needs to be traded only to Ottoman, for Pottery and Portugal for Sailing
11:15 PM Ottoman: well, we'll be giving our position away
Inca's have already guessed that we are on Aztec's side
11:16 PM me: but they don't know about us, Carthage and England, France
Ottoman: Ruff confirms that TTD is T63, which we thought was T62
me: Krill hasn't even met the other teams
Ottoman: have you talked to Krill about this?
11:17 PM me: yes
he thinks it's a good idea
anyway I'll send a message to all members
we can talk it over and evaluate pros and cons
11:18 PM Ottoman: if we trade pottery to everyone, won't it show on civstats
and everyone can guess from there?
me: will be harder to see
11:19 PM if we spread Alpha to everyone, they'll definitely know what's up
and I'm thinking we could spread Pottery gradually
Ottoman: my question is does increasing points mid turn while you are not logged in any more notiable?
me: fair point
11:20 PM Ottoman: well, yu will need everyone else's opinion onthat
me: i hadn't thought of that...
but still, it will be harder to figure out
11:21 PM especially since so many teams haven't met yet
Ottoman: I usually guess what' happening from civstats and go in-game for confmation
11:22 PM start a discussion on it or everyone's thought's since they are the one's wich son't get all the techs
11:23 PM me: well they will get the important ones right
Archery and Masonry aren't exactly life savers atm
11:24 PM Ottoman: true, although archery is saving Ruff ATM
me: hehe
but he's being choked
Ottoman: but I see your point
me: you'll need to coordinate well with Ruff
11:25 PM Ottoman: well, he sent a screenshot with tesituation this turn
me: good
Ottoman: if an axe within range of our chariot is gone, Ruff stands a good chance of hold his 2nd city
me: gone, you mean dies?
11:26 PM Ottoman: problem is that we have to declare on bth of them, which we might not want to do
yep
although we might have to
me: no you don't have to right?
you'll get Writing T63
Open borders
Ottoman: it's T61
me: ah and you want to attack now?
Ottoman: well, Ruff's asking us to anyway
11:27 PM me: i see
how's that for giving your position away
Ottoman: i know
11:28 PM Inca's hve already guessed our loyalty anyway
me: look at it this way
you're probably the only Cartel member who's completely surrouned by friends
11:29 PM it's not like they'll have an army at your doorsteps any time soon
Ottoman: I guess they are WHEOOHRN
me: but if you can save Ruff's city this turn...
well up to you
11:30 PM Ottoman: haven't discussed with team yet
me: it's that or clean them up when they've razed the city
11:31 PM are the Inca's concentrating on this city, or do they have forces around Aztec's capital as well?
Ottoman: it looks lik they are hading to Ruff's2nd city
11:32 PM me: propping up Aztec does give you a good buffer against Inca...
I met Rome recently btw
Ottoman: ah
we might benearing France
11:33 PM me: you heading to France from the east?
Ottoman: no, they have a warrior near Dantski, who we just met
11:34 PM well yes
me: hehe
France seems to have moved quite a bit west at the start of the game, because England tells me they're really close to DIM
11:35 PM Ottoman: didn't they move for 2 turns?
me: yup
and that's probably the reason why they wanted to keep all the lands to our SE
11:36 PM our memories are long...
Ottoman: hmmmm
11:37 PM me: anyway exciting times
11:38 PM Ottoman: yep
me: did India tell you about Maya?
Ottoman: nope
11:39 PM me: apparently Maya have a chariot around India's copper city
Ottoman: hmmmm
kinda like what we have against Ruff :
me: they will probably lose the city if the chariot attacks
11:40 PM Ottoman: that's a problem
me: Maya is part of the southern alliance
Ottoman: so we are the Northern alliance?
me: no Inca/Rome/Exploit are
we can be the central alliance
Ottoman: tere ae 2mini alliances?
11:41 PM me: yup
Ottoman: tey are doomed
me: yup
if we play smart
11:43 PM anyway, off to bed for me
11:44 PM Ottoman: ok c ya
me: let's keep in touch
Ottoman: yep
To sum up:
- again indicated our preference for long term cooperation with England and Carthage, to keep leverage on India and Egypt.
- Ruff has asked Ottomans to commit this turn and declare on Inca, instead of waiting till TTD
- I was thinking of sending a message to all Cartel members proposing we limit the tech trades to Pottery and Sailing, and only trade Alpha to Ottomans and Portugal respectively to get those techs. I thought that would keep the full Cartel a secret for a little while longer. But I hadn't thought about the mid-game point increases, which will surely be picked up by the Northern and Southern Alliances. What do you think guys?