RBP3 - [SPOILERS] - Team DIM (Mehmed of HRE)

[Ilios]

It is as I feared...

Ottomans had a chat with Mukha:

Summary: Portugal has been asked into a new Krill tech group we have
all been fearing. However, Portugal plans on declining so by extention
they have just given us their plans.

This group is called PAT and currently consists of
Carthage/England/Egypt/Babylon/Mali. Maya have been asked but they
haven't agreed to the terms yet. They have probably sent a message to
Rome too (who, if included, will probably include Inca)

So that leaves us with AWTA/Portugal/Byz (with Rome, Inca and Maya
unaccounted for, although Maya is less likely to be on our side).
Unfortunately, if Rome joined them, then we probably wouldn't have
much of a chance unless we attack them.

Right now, we need to inform all non-PAT members about this. Byzantium
will probably join us. Inca/Rome/Maya need to be approached with
extreme caution (for now, we avoid mentioning this to them). Portugal
is talking to Rome right now to see what could happen there (since
that is of extreme importance).

Anyway, we need to get everyone in ASAP. At the least, get Byz in on the action.

Think i got the most important bits, although if you want you can
search the log for other stuff.

And more:

Please only share this around in the strictest confidence. Do not
share yet with Incans or Romans.

This was sent by England to us/carthage/egypt/maya/mali/babylon. It
has already had agreement from carthage and mali that I know of.
Others may have also already agreed as we were added quite late. These
terms were also modified by some later responses but nothing that
important.

So apparently the new alliance is called "PAT" (Please All Trade....j/k)

So, the other thing we need to do, is come up with the formal terms of what we're agreeing to do. I'm intentionally distinguishing the pre-Currency and post-Currency situation; the game changes a lot with Currency.
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> England's proposal:
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> 1) Sharing of techs and gold in an equitable manner:
> - Researchers will be chosen based on the following criteria:
> a) Maximum Beaker Rate
> b) Beaker-Gold Skew (For example, at current rates, England can convert 43 gold into 51 beakers, for a 51/43 = 1.19 skew; Babylon's is certainly significantly high)
> c) Gold availability/costs per turn: If we can't fund everybody's research, then this will be quite relevant
> d) Availability to start a new tech (not likely to be an issue long-term; this is more for the pre-Currency situation. For example, since Carthage has the highest max beaker rate at the moment, and has finished Construction, so can save some gold now, it's expected they'll start one of the next rounds of tech as soon as they're available)
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> Funders:
> As long as a funder is sufficiently supporting research, they are owed all techs researched upon request. If a civ is not meeting the definition of "sufficiently supporting research", then gifting the researcher tech is at the discretion of the researcher.
> A definition of "sufficiently supporting research":
> a) Supporting, in gold, at least 60% of the cheapest researcher's costs OR supporting at least 50% of the most expensive researcher's costs, whichever is lower. At the moment, this is a very low value (England's costs are 28gpt, because of our large army, so 14 gold would be "50% of the most expensive", but for, say, Babylon, whose costs are around 15-18gpt, 60% of that is only 10-12gpt). Essentially, if we get to 8 civs, we're guaranteed 3 researchers, and hopefully can get up to 4, or at least mostly-fund the 4th researcher.
> - Subclause: Temporary exemptions for war-related reasons. This is for either large offensive operations, or for defensive conflicts where you need to whip your economy into the ground to survive.
> b) If the current researchers are not being fully funded, and a funders' civ has gold available, it needs to go to fund the researchers.
> - Subclause: Possible exemption: If you can justify that an upgrade is needed to prevent damage to your civ.
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> Lightbulbs:
> Also owed to everybody, as if researched. First-civ bonuses are still your own (Liberalism's free tech is considered a lightbulbed tech).
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> Wonders:
> All reasonable steps should be taken to avoid wonder races within PAT members. If an agreement can't be reached, one option is to have a third civ use a random number generator like random.org to decide who gets to go for the wonder; the civ researching the tech would get 2 chances, every one else interested would get one. Or you can race.
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> 2) Bilateral relations:
> - NAPs are considered amongst all PAT members to be in effect for the duration of this alliance, with a 10t cooldown.
> - No obligations for mutual defense. While we want everyone to ensure the mutual safety of all PAT members, England does not believe it's fair to force you to defend your neighbor if it puts yourself at risk. Mutual defense is strongly encouraged.
> - Settling: be reasonable. Again, we're not going to dictate terms, but when in doubt, tiles closer to a players' capital should belong to that player.
> -Offensive operations: That is fully at the discretion of your own civ. Except for gold, as previously mentioned, any and all benefits of offensive war are fully yours.
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> 3) Outside tech trades
> Any tech researched after Currency is finished cannot be traded to non-PAT members without at least majority approval.
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> 4) Dissolution:
> So, while ideally this organization will last until the game end, we all know that there's a chance someone would want to leave. However, we'd also like to ensure that anyone who does leave isn't leaving their allies who funded their research in the cold without the techs that their soon-to-be-ex-allies paid for.
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> Our dissolution proposal:
> No warfare within 10t of announcing your desire to leave PAT.
> Any techs researched or lightbulbed within that cooldown period are still owed to PAT members (letting a tech sit at 99% finished on the 10th turn would be in very bad faith). However, any techs researched by the remaining PAT teams during that time are NOT owed to any civs leaving PAT. Also, during that 10t dissolution, a civ leaving PAT is under no obligation or expectation to fund research.
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