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[Spoilers] Hidden in the mist - gtAngel plays Shekinah of the Sidar

The riverside grassland gives me commerce, while the rice does not. While I'm growing it doesn't matter which one is farmed (I get +1food either way), but after I max out I want to work the riverside grassland because it gives commerce.
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The rice is 4/0/0, the grassland is 3/0/1. The rice is worth an extra food per turn. If you are talking about working both (at size 2, for example), and only have time to improve one, the total value is the same either way: 6/0/1, minus 4 food eaten by the pop.
Merovech's Mapmaking Guidelines:
0. Player Requests: The player's requests take precedence, even if they contradict the following guidelines.

1. Balance: The map must be balanced, both in regards to land quality and availability and in regards to special civilization features. A map may be wonderfully unique and surprising, but, if it is unbalanced, the game will suffer and the player's enjoyment will not be as high as it could be.

2. Identity and Enjoyment: The map should be interesting to play at all levels, from city placement and management to the border-created interactions between civilizations, and should include varied terrain. Flavor should enhance the inherent pleasure resulting from the underlying tile arrangements. The map should not be exceedingly lush, but it is better to err on the lush side than on the poor side when placing terrain.

3. Feel (Avoiding Gimmicks): The map should not be overwhelmed or dominated by the mapmaker's flavor. Embellishment of the map through the use of special improvements, barbarian units, and abnormal terrain can enhance the identity and enjoyment of the map, but should take a backseat to the more normal aspects of the map. The game should usually not revolve around the flavor, but merely be accented by it.

4. Realism: Where possible, the terrain of the map should be realistic. Jungles on desert tiles, or even next to desert tiles, should therefore have a very specific reason for existing. Rivers should run downhill or across level ground into bodies of water. Irrigated terrain should have a higher grassland to plains ratio than dry terrain. Mountain chains should cast rain shadows. Islands, mountains, and peninsulas should follow logical plate tectonics.
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Yeah, but once I'm maxed it out doesn't matter how much food I have, so I'd rather work a 3/0/1 tile than a 4/0/0 once growth isn't important. So until that happens it's the same.
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(February 21st, 2013, 13:08)gtAngel Wrote: Yeah, but once I'm maxed it out doesn't matter how much food I have, so I'd rather work a 3/0/1 tile than a 4/0/0 once growth isn't important. So until that happens it's the same.

Even though the 4/0/0 tile will get you to the maxed out level faster?
Merovech's Mapmaking Guidelines:
0. Player Requests: The player's requests take precedence, even if they contradict the following guidelines.

1. Balance: The map must be balanced, both in regards to land quality and availability and in regards to special civilization features. A map may be wonderfully unique and surprising, but, if it is unbalanced, the game will suffer and the player's enjoyment will not be as high as it could be.

2. Identity and Enjoyment: The map should be interesting to play at all levels, from city placement and management to the border-created interactions between civilizations, and should include varied terrain. Flavor should enhance the inherent pleasure resulting from the underlying tile arrangements. The map should not be exceedingly lush, but it is better to err on the lush side than on the poor side when placing terrain.

3. Feel (Avoiding Gimmicks): The map should not be overwhelmed or dominated by the mapmaker's flavor. Embellishment of the map through the use of special improvements, barbarian units, and abnormal terrain can enhance the identity and enjoyment of the map, but should take a backseat to the more normal aspects of the map. The game should usually not revolve around the flavor, but merely be accented by it.

4. Realism: Where possible, the terrain of the map should be realistic. Jungles on desert tiles, or even next to desert tiles, should therefore have a very specific reason for existing. Rivers should run downhill or across level ground into bodies of water. Irrigated terrain should have a higher grassland to plains ratio than dry terrain. Mountain chains should cast rain shadows. Islands, mountains, and peninsulas should follow logical plate tectonics.
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It won't though. The only difference is that while I'm growing I'll be working a 3/0/1 and a 3/0/0 tile rather than a 2/0/1 and a 4/0/0 tile.

The only thing I'll be thinking about is whether I want the 4/0/0 tile for when I start making workers. It doesn't really matter yet though.
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(February 21st, 2013, 14:26)gtAngel Wrote: It won't though. The only difference is that while I'm growing I'll be working a 3/0/1 and a 3/0/0 tile rather than a 2/0/1 and a 4/0/0 tile.

The only thing I'll be thinking about is whether I want the 4/0/0 tile for when I start making workers. It doesn't really matter yet though.

Yes, but you don't get to start working the second tile until you grow to size two and the rice gets you there faster.
Merovech's Mapmaking Guidelines:
0. Player Requests: The player's requests take precedence, even if they contradict the following guidelines.

1. Balance: The map must be balanced, both in regards to land quality and availability and in regards to special civilization features. A map may be wonderfully unique and surprising, but, if it is unbalanced, the game will suffer and the player's enjoyment will not be as high as it could be.

2. Identity and Enjoyment: The map should be interesting to play at all levels, from city placement and management to the border-created interactions between civilizations, and should include varied terrain. Flavor should enhance the inherent pleasure resulting from the underlying tile arrangements. The map should not be exceedingly lush, but it is better to err on the lush side than on the poor side when placing terrain.

3. Feel (Avoiding Gimmicks): The map should not be overwhelmed or dominated by the mapmaker's flavor. Embellishment of the map through the use of special improvements, barbarian units, and abnormal terrain can enhance the identity and enjoyment of the map, but should take a backseat to the more normal aspects of the map. The game should usually not revolve around the flavor, but merely be accented by it.

4. Realism: Where possible, the terrain of the map should be realistic. Jungles on desert tiles, or even next to desert tiles, should therefore have a very specific reason for existing. Rivers should run downhill or across level ground into bodies of water. Irrigated terrain should have a higher grassland to plains ratio than dry terrain. Mountain chains should cast rain shadows. Islands, mountains, and peninsulas should follow logical plate tectonics.
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at a 1:1 ratio, food tends to be superior to commerce.
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I'll be size 2 at the same time no matter which tile I improve.
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So Ellimist (Decius of the Calabim) has a scout with subdue animal, meaning he probably went animal husbandry (I don't think any lair results can give subdue animal.) I expected him to go for faster Code of Laws or something else, so I'm a ilttle surprised.
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maybe it was from a hut?

iirc Calabim start with Exploration, so it would require that he has already teched agriculture.
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