[SPOILERS] Team EggHeads: DMOC and TeddyKGB (Now Lurker-Friendly!)

[TeddyKGB]

T87.
Fuck that shit, GE for india. Sux

[DMOC]

No idea on city 9 location. Once we found that we really need to seriously consider holding off the settling ... our break even has to be something like 20 to 30% after that city founded.

And GE for India? Looks like they'll get The Pyramids. What are the other teams doing?

[TeddyKGB]

20% break even is our max now.
Once we got currency it could be better, but we had a Rome on our border at the same moment.
Oh, would it be nice to have some Furs now, Plako? (nvm, I'm just whining again)
Our core isnt good, do we have 3 irons and 4 oil inside?

[TeddyKGB]

I'll try to get some from Yuufo by chat now

[DMOC]

Teddy -- I'm going to log into the game later today and give some observations, now that I'm actually well-rested. (you should still finish the turn, though).

[DMOC]

This is a two-part post, with a diplomacy update first and some random comments on the game.

*Diplomacy Update*

Team Orgynized still haven't responded to our diplomacy (NAP expires on turn 90). How about we send them this message with the following image: (sorry for bad quality in cropping)

So we can propose that land division; we'll found those two cities eventually, then let them found any other that might fit in there. I think we have every right to found those two cities, as they're all six tiles west of our capital. This gives Orgynized room to found another city to share the rice, and we can even say that they benefit from this land division. What do you think?

I'm also thinking that city 9 should be founded either on the northern sign above (to get rivers/forest) or near cows to east (To culturally pressure Care Bears; I'd place it 2 south to get the min 3 tiles away and to allow another filler city in our lands later). Which one were you thinking of?


*Game Comments*

1. I logged into the game to see how everything's going. I like the progress on chops in Berkeley, but I'm worried that India will get the Pyramids. Fortunately we should get some gold ... Given how bad our economy is we should always at least consider fail-golding some stone building, e.g. Moai, etc.

2. I thought we were going to move our eastern warrior to explore in Care Bears' lands? Our maps are so out of date and they're the most important team to know right now (arguably along with Rome)

3. Illinois: looks like workboat -> granary it is. Lighthouse or galley next?

4. We really need to hold off on founding new cities. We're limping along to Currency so once we get there (which will prob take more than 10 turns, unfortunately) we can found some more. WE also need more cottages, and I'm happy to see that there's another one in progress in Cornell. Princeton should get at least five cottages eventually.

5. Washington's working a 2f tile, do we have any alternative plans? With the state of our economy I actually like the 1f 2c tiles in comparison to 2f 0c tiles. That reminds me, we need more workers...

6. According to our naming scheme, our ninth city will be called UT Austin.

[DMOC]

Just chatted with Asterix, it went well. (You can view it in the chat log.) Any chance we can put our points off of Asterix? We are both researching Currency and after that if we want to know what he's researching we can always ask.

Want to put points on Orgynized or India? We should probably let those teams know...

Anyway here's a draft of a new message to asterix.

Asterix,

It was great chatting with you. I think we can both agree that it's best if we work together to strengthen our respective positions in this game. Our current NAP expires on turn 120, so how about this agreement?

1. NAP to turn 150.
2. Full open borders, i.e. no restrictions on scouting in both directions.
3. Resource trades, e.g. we have stone and we are happy to give it to you once we are finished building stone buildings in exchange for another happiness resource.
4. Sharing of research plans, as we've already done in our chat.
5. Confidentiality of our agreements.
6. Open/Honest discussions with each other regarding possible action against India / CareBears
7. Limitations on espionage spending; we'll try to keep our points as even as possible.
8. Discussions with other teams regarding diplomacy. If you can help us in our diplomacy against Rome, we'll be glad to try and help things out with you and the SutOxy team.[/size]

Sincerely,
DMOC of Team EggHeads

Some points:

1. Still want to work with India together
2. Possible trade, e.g. incense vs stone? We'd need an estimated time when we can give him stone.
3. He might help us deal with Rome
4. He's having trouble dealing with Orgy/SutOxy alliance.

[TeddyKGB]

Nice to hear about progress with Asterix.
I did put EP on Rome for now. Lets get some deals with India and Orgy before start considering switch EP on them.
I would like to plant city closer to sheep, but your sign is fine as well.
Game will be paused for Pony, I suppose, so it will give us more time to talk with Orgy before T90.

T87-T88.

Put 1 more turn into Mids, now it has 78/500 hammers.
On the start of T88 India complete Mids, in the Oracle city. They has Oracle+Mids+Forge there now, nice GPP for 2nd GE or shrine.
This city isn't far away from Rome's land. We could give them a hint via Asterix.

SutOxy connected Silk on T87. He also has Furs not far from his core. SutOxy team is in much better position and we might lose HG to them still.
Our timing on HG is T91. We could one turn it after whip Aqueduct, but if SutOxy faster with HG, we'll completely waste 100h.

City#9. I was thinking of plant it 2S of cow on T89, max close to Cheer.
It will share some riverside tiles with Cornell.

We have 11 workers on T88. Some of them need to be named, I suppose.

Our military on Rome's border is 2*Axe, 2*Spear and 2*Chariot.
Maybe we should build a walls or galley instead of lighthouse in UIllinois?

1. Still want to work with India together
2. Possible trade, e.g. incense vs stone? We'd need an estimated time when we can give him stone.
3. He might help us deal with Rome
4. He's having trouble dealing with Orgy/SutOxy alliance.

1. Yep, sure.
2. I would like to get Silk or Fur for Stone instead. But we could use Incense too. Timing of Moai isnt clear yet.
3. Good to hear.
4. I'm not sure there is such thing as Orgy/SutOxy alliance, maybe I'm wrong.

Pictures (T87).

[DMOC]

Some quick comments (it's another one of those long nights of work )

1. I actually think THG is safe for us because Asterix hinted that they were planning on building the MoM in our chat today. I'm not sure how he knew (is there marble nearby?) but if they're focusing on that, we might get the gardens.

2. yes, 2 south of cow will pressure Cheer, and that was one of my city ideas. We will want a road connection there soon.

3. Ok, walls are probably better in UIllinois.

4. Asterix's PM to me (we should respond to him soon):

Hi DMOC,

very nice chatting with you - and sorry about going over your time limit, just've read this msg now.

To summarize our chat:

* seems that we both agree that any action against India would be possible past T120 and that now we should do "watchful waiting" and try to prepare best for the future

* we still thing that it is best to isolate india - i.e. no-scouting - although unfortunately they already met Sutoctrats. Sutoxy have currently 9 cities vs our 7. They say they are interesting in extending NAP with us on the condition we reach land division deal - which they never have time to discuss (" I have sent your email to suttree" etc ...). If they will not extend NAP with us, taking military action against India will be close to impossible for us

* as you will see, India got Pyramids

* we still have NAP until T120, we think there is no need for any more formal agreements between our teams at this time. We can give you DIBS one trading our resources, you also suggested we can coordinate wonders, we also agree that best we can do is to help each other to build strong economies.

* we have calendar resources to trade and sounds like you would have currency very soon - what about us trading you happy for a certain got? After thinking more about it, we would prefer money to stone. Since you have granary - or will have it soon - in all of your 8 cities, you could use extra happy for an explosive growth smile. Please let us know relatively soon how much you would offer for our happy resources, as we have been also approached by other teams with trade proposals.

Best wishes,

Asterix

[DMOC]

Yos/Cal proposing an anti-Rome defensive pact.

Hello England and Byzantium,

I thought we should start three-way communications to discuss what is to be done with the Romans. I think that we can all agree that if Rome should DOW one of us, it will be the same as a DOW on all of us. The other two teams must immediately DOW Rome if this should happen.

We should also continue sharing information with each other. I can confirm that Rome is Best Soldiers at 103k. They haven't had any major spikes since hooking iron, so I don't think they have any Praetorians yet (maybe they're getting their first this turn). I am attaching a picture of the Roman south from T87.

Let's keep in touch,

Blame Caldorn

On my todo list:

- Organize our diplomacy better
- See how long it takes us to do Moai, need to negotiate with Asterix, possibly he can hint Rome to attack Care Bears if they realize that all three of us have a defensive pact
- Diplomacy with Care Bears and Orgynized