WW26: The Masquerade [Game Thread]

[Fat Rose]

But you did not state that the village will lose if they lynch a villager, you specifically stated (bolded by me)

Percy, if you lynch me the village will lose.

Maybe I just misread it, but for me that sounded more like "Lynch everyone else, but not me.". I suppose that might be really just a different way of wording it.

As for Harry: He stated there is nothing that would cause you getting a no result. After he stated that you wrote

I think the best explaining of the no result is Harry having something that would cause it.

And now you write:

I said before i do not trust my scans and so i do not want to base my votes off them.

So you don't trust them to base your vote off them, but you do trust them enough to in effect state that Harry lies?

[Doctor Saul]

Do you think i am a wolf, rose?
If so you should vote for me.

And yes, lynch any village and game is likely over. I am village so game would be over. Do you disagree?

I am not ready to come out and say Harry lies because he has not revealed. Also, i say richard is better because i have less doubt.
Or do you think my scan is good except for Kate? Then i should vote for Jon, right?

[Fat Rose]

Do you think i am a wolf, rose?
If so you should vote for me.

I think it is possible and you changing your posting style yet again without explaining why you changed in the first place is definitely not making me feel better about you. But Richard has still not posted and I think he is our best target for today. Doesn't mean I have to waste the day though.

And yes, lynch any village and game is likely over. I am village so game would be over. Do you disagree?

Not sure what you try to achieve with this. I've never stated anything contrary to what you wrote there, but that I find it odd to not write it like that in the first place but instead tell Percy that if he lynches specifically you it would be bad for the village. Anyhow, I don't disagree that lynching a villager is most likely game-over as 4 wolves would not be enough. Just if you are one remains to be seen.

I am not ready to come out and say Harry lies because he has not revealed. Also, i say richard is better because i have less doubt.
Or do you think my scan is good except for Kate? Then i should vote for Jon, right?

Harry said there is nothing to block you. I don't see what a reveal from him would change there. I suppose you don't expect that he reveals that there is something that would have blocked you, that wouldn't make sense.

And again, why do you try to make it seem as if I said anything like what you imply in the above quote? I've never even hinted that I think your scans are good. I asked why you seem to trust your scans insofar as that you believe that Harry lied about him not blocking you which is what you implied with your posts.

[Doctor Saul]

You try to make it sound like i said harry absolutely lied when i did not. I am most sure about Richard and in LYLO we need to go with the most sure thing

Fatty, we are on the same team unless i am very wrong. But your posting now makes me wonder

[Know-Nothing Jon]

And also I honestly did not even after the discussion was started on it get what was so bad about the hand-waving.

Like I said at the time, she didn't actually give any reasons why Lady Elizabeth was scum. Also, she gave the impression that people were sweeping some kind of offense by Lady Elizabeth under the rug. But she never clarified what that was, either. So I thought it was a pretty terrible post.

You were certainly not the only one to ignore her; it looks like everybody more or less forgot about her until Simple Anne brought it up again. But with the way you've spent the whole game exposing and questioning logical inconsistencies, for example in your recent discourse with Dr. Saul, it's notable that you completely ignored that post. In my humble opinion.

[Know-Nothing Jon]

Now you ask how his play makes sense as a wolf. In general, I look at him and am not certain how his play makes sense for a wolf, but I see that it makes no sense for a villager. So even though I understand why you ask, I think in this case it makes more sense to turn the question around. Without knowing which roles the wolves have and with the added anonymity I am not sure we will always be able explain why someone should do something as a wolf (apart from the issue of the wolves doing something we don't think makes sense for them, just to throw us off their track...).

I agree in general that you can't always be expected to explain what motivates the wolves, since you don't know which abilities they have, etc. But you can't always know what motivates a villager, either, because people are strange. So when faced with behavior that makes no sense, neither for a villager nor for a wolf, I think it should usually be viewed as a null tell. You bring up some things Doctor Saul has done that are strange, and I agree that they are. I'm just not sure they should be interpreted as scum tells.

I just have a hard time seeing a wolf Doctor Saul planning from night 1 to claim seer with an innocent result on Muriel. It violates the fancy play theorem.

[Know-Nothing Jon]

What do you hope to achieve in asking for claims? I don't think it can hurt anything, but at this point what will it achieve? We're at lylo, so it's not like we have lynches to burn verifying a claim.

This feels evasive. If it can't hurt, then logically there might be something to gain. For one, I want to lock down the claims of my primary suspects, so they can't change their story later.

[Widow Edith]

Thinking about the game so far and rereading a lot and thinking how this game devolved into its state. So I went a bit through the early posts to look for hints there; to maybe find a player who slowly but steadily edged Muriel on. Who pushed her again and again.

And I found Sir Percival.

He started with voting LE and switched to Muriel after this:

I believe Lady Elizabeth / Courage to be a villager. If he was a werewolf, he would not risk being instantly caught by faking a role-PM unsuccessfully. His information checks out, therefore I trust him. Now here's the thing. Any villager would have realized that his claim was true, so anyone who voted to lynch him should be kept an eye on. Those players are: Bert, Edith, Percival, Sarah. I doubt they are all wolves, but we at least have a higher chance to catch a wolf by picking one of these four than if we picked randomly.

ur tagline of slowness appears right. prove wolves dont know the village win condition. this is the silly meta gaming that makes village lose so often. vote for bad logic.

muriel

That's his first vote vs Muriel. From then on he talked with Muriel about Meta. claiming that LE is not cleared because of it and that we throw the game because of stupid meta. And then he made this nice post which somehow was missed by (nearly) all.

muriel, either ur scum or u have role. convince me ur role is bad lynch.

Later he claimed that he is an easy target therefor Muriel targeting him is scummy. On Day 2 he starts on Will but switches with no real reason back to Muriel. Afterwards he continue to stoke the fire by calling her hypocrite and so on. In short Sir Percival's prime reason to vote Muriel was that she accepted the Meta-proof that LE is a villager. From then on he viewed everything of her as a scum-tell. He pushed her and even called himself an easy-lynch to paint her black.

[Young Will]

Thinking about the game so far and rereading a lot and thinking how this game devolved into its state. So I went a bit through the early posts to look for hints there; to maybe find a player who slowly but steadily edged Muriel on. Who pushed her again and again.

And I found Sir Percival.

He started with voting LE and switched to Muriel after this:

I believe Lady Elizabeth / Courage to be a villager. If he was a werewolf, he would not risk being instantly caught by faking a role-PM unsuccessfully. His information checks out, therefore I trust him. Now here's the thing. Any villager would have realized that his claim was true, so anyone who voted to lynch him should be kept an eye on. Those players are: Bert, Edith, Percival, Sarah. I doubt they are all wolves, but we at least have a higher chance to catch a wolf by picking one of these four than if we picked randomly.

ur tagline of slowness appears right. prove wolves dont know the village win condition. this is the silly meta gaming that makes village lose so often. vote for bad logic.

muriel

That's his first vote vs Muriel. From then on he talked with Muriel about Meta. claiming that LE is not cleared because of it and that we throw the game because of stupid meta. And then he made this nice post which somehow was missed by (nearly) all.

muriel, either ur scum or u have role. convince me ur role is bad lynch.

Later he claimed that he is an easy target therefor Muriel targeting him is scummy. On Day 2 he starts on Will but switches with no real reason back to Muriel. Afterwards he continue to stoke the fire by calling her hypocrite and so on. In short Sir Percival's prime reason to vote Muriel was that she accepted the Meta-proof that LE is a villager. From then on he viewed everything of her as a scum-tell. He pushed her and even called himself an easy-lynch to paint her black.

im quoting this for emphasis and to remind me of it later in the game. I'll add further that maybe the reason he switched off me is that I was barely participating on day 2, so it was obvious I wasn't going to hang myself.
I like this a lot, but we have 3 or 4 scum to catch, apparently. I do think richard is the most obvious, and its clear he's not going to come and claim like I want him too

[Short Richard]

Role-claim? I'm a vanillager. Sorry for signing up for this game, I thought I'd have more time for this.

On Percival... he seems to be village despite his roleplaying. Not jumping on an easy bandwagon on me, constantly badgering Saul on the results of his scan.
I've been feeling less confident on Saul, his arguing skills haven't shown themselves beyond Day 1.
Jon's a villager. Haven't seen any reason to doubt him.
Harry... I don't have a read on him. Guess that leaves him in self-defence.