WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[BRickAstley]

Yeah okay that makes sense.

[Molach]

Tas & Gas didn't get to say a whole lot, and they were never voted to lynch so we've got less than usual to go on. Gas' suspects might be telling, but no telling which of them are distancing. Gaspar: "Isn't it about time you claimed your role Tasunke". And the Tas lynch was a vote, sort of, but scum realistically not knowing about a vote-majority-triggered-vigilante would not have seen the grave danger in passing a vote that way, and it's likely some did vote. It was early in the day and they could hope the case fade away later. So we don't really have too much in the way of voting records.

And when attempting to lynch lurkers you don't really get much to go on in the way of scumminess from posting. Good vig targets but prolly not an option here. If they live to the endgame - might be scum and win the game, or might be villagers and lose the game due to not posting. I've been in two endgames as village with a zombie or two, and it really is ...not a good place to be.

When enough players disagree, there are 3-4 suspects nearing lynch, and with no clear read (guess that is personal what I'd consider that) I'd go for the lurkiest tomorrow too.

About Gazglum, I go no feedback yesterday. Was that because it was so obviously wrong, or because other cases were more pressing? Short summary is
* Seemingly random pick of Gaius of the flug-voters (but later explained)
* Voting ichabod 21:59, which would have lynched if ryan didn't come in seconds later (albeit would have taken split-minute timing and a post ready to go).
* Always popping in at the right time with (reasonable, I must reluctantly agree) defense.
* "What is SK" then 3 hours later something about that we shouldn't hunt for SK for some reason (wolf thread feedback?)

Several people believe Ichabod is scum, if he is then Gazglum should be cleared outright. And of course, if Gazglum is scum then Ichabod as good as innocent. I think Ichabod's posts night 1 felt honest, slighty mental playstyle could be explained as the 'waterbat crazywolf style' or villager having fun with the game (shocking). I did note the points Serdoa wrote earlier about him, and village play in general, agree with a lot said there. Endsieg most important.

[novice]

Sorry novice, but I reread now his posts and ask myself: What did you expect? He made a vote based on meta-speculation (that out of 4 neighbours one has to be scum and Molach fitted best with his play) and when Jkaen revealed that he had lied about his bond with Ichabod, he retracted his vote because the meta-speculation was based on 4 neighbours, not 2. What exactly should he defend against? That he made a vote due to meta - he did, nothing to defend against there. That he didn't find Molachs handling of the QT itself scummy but voted him for other reasons he found scummy and meta-speculation? He did, again, nothing to defend against.

From my reading of your accusation, you seem to believe that he said "Molach is not scummy" and still voted him. But he said "Molach is not scummy for his handling of the QT, but he feels scummy for the way he tells us that he didn't change the QT". Thats not the same. I also do disregard reasonings given by others and point out that I don't agree with them on a certain point, but that doesn't mean that the player in question can't have done anything else that is scummy and lynchworthy.

This would have been so much better coming from Mattimeo. Will you stop letting him lurk already.

[Ryan]

Can you guys please relink scrapper. also, i am having a hard time finding the post where you guy say bigger has a power? I am having a hard time reading all of what I missed...

[Meiz]

http://www.cassidyweb.com/ww20/

[Molach]

Azza is lurking too, btw. Not just number of posts, but also word-per-post to consider. Share no thoughts - reveal nothing

And pling, just 1 post in the whole thread.

[Ryan]

I just went thorugh Serdoa's scraper. Thank you for wanting to give me a chance. I dont wanna get mod killed twice in a row. I dont think i will be allowed in any more games at that rate.

my opinion on Serdoa, He just feels the same like last game really. He is providing logic for his reasoning. He breaks down and writes his proofs. He is willing to butt head with everyone against him. He will respond even to the vets and he isnt afraid to say if he thinks that something is going wrong. He is exactly like the last game. I am going to read through everyones and write what I generally think, but honestly unless there is a very good reason that Serdoa is scum or a confirmed power role says so. I think he is a villager.

[Ryan]

Lewwyn, is doing what he usually does in the start of the game not attacking anyone. Then he goes full attack mode on Novice and keeps attacking him for the rest of the day. That matched his ww 19 and his Aitp gameplay. Only thing I noticed was he went a bit random with his votes in the start or thats the impression I got and he went full I am gonna lynch you unless a god says your town mode a bit earlier then he usually does.

[Rowain]

And I expect you to open up tomorrow, Rowain.

I know, I know. Thats why I posted my little list.

Hahahaha, you don't like my poem? Is that based on taste or do you actually think there's something wrong with it?

It reminds me on triumphant howling of wolves when they cought prey

My comment after lynch was rage at an idiotic mislynch.

One finds such comments often uttered by those that have a cheat-list. Not to mention that you have to prove that your case is not equally "idiotic"

[Ryan]

Mattimeo I really hate that line . " don't believe Molach's handing of the QT with flug reveals any negative intent. Possibly misguided, in hindsight, but the intent seems to have been getting a struggling player, who was obviously around at the time, to actually post and contribute to the game."

You never provided me that treatment last game. You were aggressive versus me and it just feels out of charachter to be even saying "misguided" compared to the rudeness you gave me last game is pretty wierd.

His posts and his vote changes are pretty wierd in my eyes. " Anyways. Self-preservation says novice. " He votes novice in that line. " Back to Ichabod then. " Votes ichabod and just believes that I think could have been lying. I cant find proper justification for any of your votes. " so my actual best bet for self preservation here is to vote Gaius and give Ichabod a reason not to switch to me, right? " votes Gaius and i still think that reason is lacking. I might be biased against him but thats my read.