WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Rowain]

You're missing the point. He didn't color his vote red, which ultimately would have swung the vote to pindicator. And he voted for the guy voting Ichabod who wouldn't be around to change his vote as mayor.

It requires an explanation. I mean, if you saw a lynch result and saw that the vote went against your preferred target because you screwed up your tags, and there was a dead village, you wouldn't react pretty strongly to that?

What are you talking about? He clearly stated that he willl not vote as he intended. He did return right on time (1 min before the lynch given the timetag.

asdlkjfhasdlkjfh!! back too late!

i had typed up this from an hour or so ago - but so much has happened since then... from a quick overview i was conviced by both sareln and pindicator and have no idea of the tally - I will just not vote as intended in bold below.
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[Twinkletoes89]

Are you really that big an idiot??? Why the hell would a villager fake the postrestriction? So you either think it was fake then novice=wolf or he is a villager then it was real.

We don't know that novice is a villager.

People should stop peddling that it is true as it leads to people following someone they think is village when they may not be

[novice]

There goes more than an hour and I only was able to read the damn thread, not make any meaningful research of scum. It's just too hard to do it when trying to defend yourself and with so much players talking at the same time.

I'm tired, so I'm going to follow my heart. I'll vote for Gaspar and go with it. My justification is based on "Zak's case", because that's always right, right?

Ichabod, at the time, this post read to me like "I'm giving up, and I'm not going to give the village anything more to go on to find my packmates." But you kept at it. This isn't necessarily an accusation, but I'm curious how you would comment on my interpretation.

I like Sareln doing a thorough analysis which doesn't lead to him jumping on someone easy to save himself. Conversely, I don't like Azza voting me reasoning that I'm easy to lynch. There are still 14 hours left, you're not exactly in a hurry.

I'll piggy back novice, as I still trust his judgement and alignment: pindicator
I don't want Sareln for mayor, but if the idea is to get a better chance of him not hanging I can back that.

Catwalk, you piggybacked me all day, I can't remember if the post above was when you started. This was just after I had joined Sareln on Pindicator and declared Sareln villager, btw.

But then I revoted Selrahc after he regained some traction

Selrahc

, and this was your next post:

Molach, still another 8h to go. I wouldn't be too worried about the vote split, although a tally would indeed be nice. I'm going to put a vote on Azza in order to underline my earlier accusation, don't want it falling through the cracks.

Why didn't you follow me onto Selrahc?

Novice, I cant wait for you to be able to talk properly, because I think everything you quote here is wrong, but cant argue it out properly with you in this mode

I don't know if this still applies JKaen, but feel free to confront me with everything and anything.

So the only reason you changed from me to Pindicator was to try and save Sareln?

No I preferred to lynch Pindicator over you, but I would have preferred to lynch you over Sareln. Remember, I worked for saving Sareln long before you became top candidate, in fact my first attempt to save Sareln was also a wagon on Pindicator. It lost steam and IIRC I then built a wagon on Selrahc, and then you.

[novice]

We don't know that novice is a villager.

People should stop peddling that it is true as it leads to people following someone they think is village when they may not be

In answer to my question on whether I am scummy for trying to save Sareln, Tasunke answers

No, but I still believe that you faked your post restriction.

I think that was Rowain's point. You can't simultaneously believe that I'm villager and faking a PR. Of course Tasunke may be suspecting me for other reasons.

[novice]

And by the way I can't believe how much ink you guys wasted on discussing my level of scummyness and my post restriction. Was I ever going to be a lynch candidate for today? No, so revisit the issue later and focus on the task at hand.

[Injera]

Catwalk, you piggybacked me all day, I can't remember if the post above was when you started. This was just after I had joined Sareln on Pindicator and declared Sareln villager, btw.

Don't have the posts quoted, but he also didn't follow you on to Ichabod. 890 you switched, 930 he asked if you had changed your position on Sareln, 977 you switch back to pindicator and he immediately follows.

[Tasunke]

well yea, my point was that I was suspecting you for other reasons, among those being the post restriction in and of itself.

But I no longer think that you have a scummy connection to either Sareln or Uberfish.

So I no longer believed "because of Sareln"

Now, does this mean that I'm going to try and BW you tomorrow? Obviously not, as there are many people much more scummy than you ... and yourself? Nothing much substative, now that I think on it, other than gut alone. Which is much less of a scum tell than other people are giving off right now.

[Catwalk]

Catwalk, you piggybacked me all day, I can't remember if the post above was when you started. This was just after I had joined Sareln on Pindicator and declared Sareln villager, btw.

But then I revoted Selrahc after he regained some traction, and this was your next post:

Molach, still another 8h to go. I wouldn't be too worried about the vote split, although a tally would indeed be nice. I'm going to put a vote on Azza in order to underline my earlier accusation, don't want it falling through the cracks.

Why didn't you follow me onto Selrahc?

I will have to reread, but I think that was when Azza was getting on my nerves again and I somewhat felt like playing. At any rate, I apologize for straying Master

To clarify, I never intended to simply follow you everywhere. I think I explicitly stated that in an earlier post where I addressed my piggybacking. My argument was that in absence of any reads of my own, it made more sense to me to follow the lead of a mostly established townie (is your head going to explode yet TT?). I did have a read on Azza, as I thought it extremely peculiar how he got minimal attention with practically no activity day 1 and nothing with any substance day 2. I still think that's a good read, and I'm still wondering why noone picked up on it.

Injera, I will have to look at that one too.

[novice]

I forget who said something similar, but it bothers me how all Bigger's posts come across scummy, which of course conflicts with the bandwagon evidence from day 1.

Were all the Bigger switches just random, and wolves had the worst day 1 ever / were all driving buses?

Exploring this is not my top priority, but at least now I can express my suspicions without framing them in bold and red.

[novice]

Pindicator, maybe you could whip up one of your voting analyses later if you have the time? It definitely felt like we were running in circles today.