RB Pitboss #1 SPOILER - Hatshepsut / India

[regoarrarr]

So what happens if you lose the vote?

I guess play continues?

I replied back to the Broker email

Thank you for your proposal. As you may have seen / guessed from CivStats, I have already gifted Fission to Alex, though I think that I can speak for him when I say that he has no plans to fire any nukes (and plus, it's not like he's going to be able to build very many if any before a UN ban is passed). Though I have to say that the fact that I continued to get nuked while you're talking puts a bit of damper on the negotiations....

So now that you have expressed remorse over the "wholesale destruction" and turning the world into a nuclear winter, what reparations are you offering? I understand that militarily or nuclearily that I have no position to "make demands" or anything, but as it stands, my chances for winning have plummeted and my fun in this game has also waned (two related yet separate things).

Obviously I have very little if any chance to race to space, and again obviously, it would be kind of hard to logistically work a kind of "UN nuclear cleanup" where you send workers to cleanup my land.

So my proposal would be that you give me my own little "mini-Internet". Any tech that 2 or more of you have, you gift to me, for the rest of the game. At least let me pretend that I have a chance to win the game. Your other proposals seemed reasonable more or less.

If I don't have hope, I don't have much.....

The Honorable Indian Empire

Then Broker replied

This will require discussion. For the record I recieved authorazation to pursue a deal after the last volley flew.

Munro replied

Hmm, I was against this initially but maybe it is just time to call this one and vote Broker a diplomatic victory?

* My main aim for the end game was to romp around map killing people (I've always found space a bit dull) but I'm rapidly running out of willing opponents.
* Rego's self-confessed outlook for victory is slim and my plans for the end game probably aren't going to help any with that either.
* TT already wants out.
* Broker has a fairly clear path to victory at this point and I'm sure he wouldn't object to the early win...

I'm not sure how Dreylin, Sunrise and Elkad feel about things (I would guess that Dreylin has a plausible shot at space victory if he wants it) but feels like a lot of people are running out of steam. If the game has run it's natural course, are we ready to call it and move onto the next one?

I'm not sure what reparations are on the table however if we play on. I think we exploited a legitimate technological lead for decisive advantage, and got lucky on a few things too. However, I"m not sure I'm really that interested in "leveling the playing field" just to compete again and see who can get ahead this time. Even if you were able to, it'd feel rather cheesy since everyone would know we just gifted you a bunch of techs to keep things interesting. If you don't think you can contest the victory any more as is, and no-one's particularly enjoying it, I'd rather just concede the game (probably to Broker unless anyone is still contesting it? Dreylin??) and move onto a fresh game for those that want to. I think that would probably be more fun all round.

Just one perspective and of course it depends a lot on what everyone else thinks. I'm willing to play on as long as there is consensus to keep going.

What does everyone else think?

And should we move this discussion to the players' bar?

and TT replied

I will leave the decision up to you guys as its your game you've been playing for much longer than mine.

If its carrying on, I would not be in favour of reparations, they are a self defeating prophecy.

I think it is time to move on from this game and put it behind us, but you're they guys in charge.

[regoarrarr]

Okay well apparently Broker no longer has a city with Hinduism. Alex brought that to my attention and I see he has updated his thread, so I'm assuming that he gave the details there. I'm not sure how it happened as I haven't been in game but I assume Munro either took it by force (likely with Broker's approval) or had it gifted.

It is unclear to anyone (at least to me) whether this will invalidate the AP dynamic. Perhaps I will do some testing.

[regoarrarr]

Well as indicated by my WB testing, and confirmed in an email by Elkad, the testing for AP votes occurs at the END of the turn that the vote happens.

So.... as you've probably already seen, THIS



led to



Boo.

[regoarrarr]

Well I'm at least glad I saved all my gloating until now

Got a few more ideas but will have to post more later

[novice]

Well I'm at least glad I saved all my gloating until now

Don't worry, we were doing the gloating for you in the no players thread.

[regoarrarr]

First email from the new Mali, SilentConfusion

This is mostly an introduction. I have taken over for TT and am now commanding the Malinese civilization.

I am not aware of the complete diplomatic situation, but it is very possible that you do not like my civ very much. I want to just say first that I respect you as a player, and that regardless of what happens between our civs I just want to say that it will done with the utmost respect for you on my end.

The other reason for this communication is that I wanted to gauge your level of interest in the game. There is talk of an impending diplomatic victory. TT had considered voting to end the game diplomatically. I however, cannot do that on principle unless the other players (who have played much longer than I have) want it to end. If you are no longer having fun and wish to end the game and move on I would understand. If the general consensus is that the game has gone on long enough, I will honor that and place my vote. Unless that is the case however the game will not end with me handing a victory to someone else.

I am starting to get a better understanding of the diplomatic equation. It seems like there have been two teams and that my civilization has often tried to remain out of the fray sometimes switching sides if necessary. There will come a time when we have to make a stand one way or the other if we want to win. You can be guaranteed that we will not just keel over and let someone else win without trying, unless (as I said before) the rest of the players are tired of it.

May the nuclear clouds over your cities dissipate quickly.

SilentConfusion

[regoarrarr]

My reply to SilentConfusion

Hi Silent Confusion!

Thanks for taking this over. It does kind of seem that this game will never end, though I have to say I almost got it to end last turn :-D

I don't dislike you or your civ. I never really dealt a whole lot with Mali - you and Persia were pretty much tied together and since Persia was my immediate neighbor, I usually dealt with him and he would deal with Mali. Of course, that was 1 Persia and *2* Malis ago, so.... ya know :-)

I enjoyed working with TT (and not just because he's probably going to end up reading this note!!). As you are probably aware, about 10 or so turns ago, he and I (and Alex and sunrise and Elkad) had agreed to flip things up on the Broker led "axis of evil". The key thing was Mali, who was going to deny Rocketry to them and aid Alex, Elkad and I in a military campaign.

But then he reconsidered again, and now the world is (on its way to being) a nuclear wasteland. While it was disappointing and frustrating to me, I dont' really blame him or hold it against him. He got himself into a situation where he had promised 2 opposing things to 2 different sides. No matter what he was going to disappoint someone.

I'm not sure what your plans are now. I can understand the need to get your bearings in a game (both in-game and diplomatically), and I understand that you might not want to just come in and completely change the course of your civ. On the other hand, at some point you do need to "make a stand" as you put it and put your own stamp on the Malinese civ.

Where we stand now, Broker or Munro is going to win. I'm not sure what kind of outstanding deals you have with either of them, but I would urge you to not make any new ones. For instance, I believe you just traded him Satellites for Robotics or something like that? I'm not sure what you're researching now, but if you want to make any tech trades, I'm up for it!

[regoarrarr]

Email sent to most folks

Okay so now that the game is not over (hee hee sorry TT - I tried to get you out of it!!! :-) ), let's get back to this.

So are we banning nukes? The only question I've got is what the definition of "tactical use" is. Also, what are people's thoughts about the destruction of existing nukes? Broker that seems like you'd be for that given that eliminates the chance that your culture cities get nuked

Let me know

[regoarrarr]

Okay brief update.

Negotiations are ongoing for a limited nuclear ban. Tactical usage of nukes (as opposed to usage of tactical nukes) allowed, meaning (I think) you can hit stacks / troops but not cities. Still debating the actual meaning of that.

So we'll see how that goes. It does look like we're going to devolve into full on modern warfare though, so that should entertain if nothing else....

[darrelljs]

Nuclear wasteland?

Darrell