RB Pitboss #2 [SPOILERS] - Speaker and Sullla

[Kyan]

Ok, i had a little whinge before as i felt you were overly harsh on Jowy- i meant no offence and am glad you took it in the spirit it was intended. If i were you in this game right now, i would feel exactly the same. I would be well aware that i couldn't fight off odds, you and Speaker on the other hand- that's not necessarily the case.

I don't think the other teams are ganging up on you because you're e-famous, it's because you're so damned good and everyone of them knows it. If they DON'T gang up on you and they play fair, you'll rip them all to shreds. I'm not condoning their actions, but maybe you should take it as a compliment? Too Far? ... ha

Quitting is a big no-no. Look at the eyes of that little yellow man, he is massively unimpressed by that sentiment. This is Realms Beyond forums. The reason i read the threads here and play here, with you guys, is because when adversity comes knocking, you're hid behind the door with a hammer ready to bonk it on the head. At civfanatics, they'd of snuck out the back door and run.

I'm sure this is causing you massive headaches right now but let's be realistic. Last turn you weren't that worried. What's really changed? A galley off the western coast, 2 spearmen, 2 axeman and 2 chariots? You're telling me that's the difference between you winning this war and not? I seriously doubt it.

Chin up.

[Savage Seahorse]

If the defenses crumble, it may be time to prepare an impenetrable OCC fortress and beeline for nukes. The diabolical Speaker and Sullla will see you in 1500 years with A-bombs raining fire from the sky.

[MWIN]

Lurkers: Please note that Nakor/DMOC still didn't declare war. We still don't know what he is planning?

[Speaker]

Lurkers: Please note that Nakor/DMOC still didn't declare war. We still don't know what he is planning?

Lol?

[Kyan]

Lurkers: Please note that Nakor/DMOC still didn't declare war. We still don't know what he is planning?

I have no idea whether they have or haven't, i don't believe Sullla has confirmed one way or another. However, if that party were here to help the indians, surely they would have done so by distracting dantski? I suppose it's possible they're honouring their NAP and en-route to attack Jowy and Kathlete. I would say it's very doubtful.

[Speaker]

I have no idea whether they have or haven't, i don't believe Sullla has confirmed one way or another. However, if that party were here to help the indians, surely they would have done so by distracting dantski? I suppose it's possible they're honouring their NAP and en-route to attack Jowy and Kathlete. I would say it's very doubtful.

Would there even be any troops from Greece or Ottomans left for him to attack?

[antisocialmunky]

Lurker thread going nuts over Sullla's F Bombs :-D

So what have you got for us Speaker? You seem to have some sort of plan to be in such good spirits. So tell us, how are you going to kill the combined might of the Balkans and Asia Minor?

[Spronz]

I'm sorry, but that is f*cking bullshit. Not mincing words or being polite here, that - is - bullshit. This is not like the RBPB1 alliance against an Incan team that had double the cities of anyone else, and a long history of aggression against other teams. No, this is a gangbang based purely upon the reputations of the players involved, and with friends from other games pooling their resources together. Don't even try to tell me that the RBPB3 teammates aren't carrying over their alliance into this game. Grade "A" bullshit.

Even worse, the teams are making no effort to win the game just for the sake of trying to take us down. I don't fault teams for doing what's in their best interests to win, and Dantski and Jowy have legit reasons for teaming up against us. But Nakor?!? Kathlete?!?! They're not making any effort to build up their own civs, just gangbanging the "rockstar" team for fun. And yes, that really pisses me off. There's an implicit agreement in a game like this that everyone will do what's best for their team, and try to achieve victory. I view Kathlete and Nakor's actions as an egregious violation of the spirit of this game.

Imagine if Dreylin, Ruff, athlete, and mostly_harmless all declared war on sooooo in the RB PBEM game just because he had the best reputation, and athlete + mh were sending soldiers to the other side of the world, for no gain to themselves, just to strike down someone who had a strong reputation. That's basically what we have here...

I don't even know where to go from here. I honestly have no desire to keep playing this game right now. I just want to post a giant "F*CK YOU" in the public forum and wash my hands of the whole thing.

Um wow. I'm sorry but that's just not classy at all. I think you should take some deep breaths and actually consider how this game has played from some other team perspectives.

[Speaker]

Some of you guys are maddening with the the sanctimonious commentary about how we are misjudging the other teams. We only have access to our own views from the game. We haven't been reading the other teams' threads like you have. Put yourself in our shoes for a moment. How would it look to you if you were being attacked 4v1 (50% of all the players in the game, by the way) by 4 players who also "happen" to be all playing on the same team in another Pitboss game? How would you feel if you put hours and hours and hours and hours into the game, with a major goal of helping teach the community, and this happened to you, where it really felt like meta-gaming, being targeted purely because of your names, not because of your actions in game. It's only turn 100....Score matters so unbelievably little at this point that it's not even funny. Slaving stacks of unpromoted axes and spears to go attack someone 25 tiles away from you is pure lunacy in an Epic game if you are actually playing to win. This is not the AI where you can play kingmaker and still hope to catch up while they butcher the late game, and eke out a space race or UN victory. Clearly Nakor would benefit much more by attacking Dantski than by attacking us. Is he actually going to keep our cities, if he managed to take them? The maintenance would be absurd, and Dantski would be between him and his new cities. How could he hope to defend them?

If Sullla wants to tilt a bit, in his own thread, let him!

We have gone through all our old emails and proposals, and decided that we have played this game about as unaggressively as possible, while at the same time keeping enough military to be not considered a weakling or pushover. My guess is the four of them want to try and secure their whole half of the donut? But where does that get them? Only 1 team can win, not 4.

So whatever happened, whatever the other teams perceived, however we got here, please spare us the "you don't know what they are thinking" or "you don't understand their reasoning" comments. Of course we don't, and won't until the game is over and we can read their threads, if we ever do.

With that said. Don't stick a fork in us just yet. There's plenty of killing left to be done.

[Sullla]

I stand by my comments from before. I guarantee you that if, say, MWIN were playing India instead of "Speaker", you wouldn't be seeing teams charging halfway around the world to attack. But whatever, we're just going to have to live with the bullshit these teams are pumping out. Kyan has the right idea - you didn't think we were going to give up, did you?

Speaker managed to pull off a minor miracle this turn. I'll let him give you the details, but basically we attacked and won at 50/50 odds to take out Kathlete's top horse archer, sacrificed an archer to cripple their second top horse archer, then won a second battle at about 55% odds to eliminate Jowy's top phalanx. Those victories gave us enough XP to create a Great General in Chancellorsville, who attached to an axe for a Combat II/Shock/2-move unit, which then killed another phalanx at 87%.

Net results:

- Kathlete's horse archers are GONE. There's two of them left, both in the extremely damaged range, ~1.0 out of 6 health. Just the chariots to go.
- Jowy's Shock phalanxes were both killed. He has 5 healthy, unpromoted phalanxes remaining.

With healing, promotions, and units to be completed next turn, we should be able to cripple or completely kill the Kathlete/Jowy stack next turn! I certainly wasn't anticipating that...

Now the bad news:

- Nakor gives us another 6 units to deal with.
- Our horses will be pillaged next turn, and there's nothing we can do about it. (We should be able to reconnect them soon though.)
- Jowy likely has more units coming towards Hampton Roads soon. He's building some roads near the border with his workers.
- Gettysburg is under siege; it should be fine for the immediate future (Dantski's stack will get owned if he's foolish enough to attack there), but our cottages there are somewhat vulnerable.
- Shiloh is doomed. We can't save it, so we pulled back our forces to live and fight another day. Ironically, this actually frees up some units for use elsewhere, strengthening us in the short term.

Overall though, it was a really good turn for us, killing 3 units and only losing 1. Speaker has been nothing short of amazing at commanding our military, so please give him due credit!

Nakor, on the other hand, is a total rat. He lied to us for the past month, and apparently wants to work hand-in-hand with Dantski, the team that settled aggressively on his borders and cramped his expansion! Rather than team with us and partition Dantski's land, he wants to attack a team some distance away that showed nothing but friendly attention. That will never make sense to me...

I sent him this message:

Dear Nakor and DMOC of Holy Rome,

Thanks for your latest email! You were absolutely right about how Dantski couldn't offer you a better deal than we could. It's been great fun discussing how to coordinate our war plans against Dantski when your NAP runs out in 8 turns. Thanks especially for bringing those 6 units up from the south to assist us in our struggle!

If there's one thing we appreciate from other teams, it's their honesty.

Sullla
The Killer Angels

If you're reading this Nakor or DMOC, this is me flipping you off for being lying bastards.